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printer

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yeah i saw that article, it was very giggle worth....i do understand what your saying here, but you really have to look at the dynamics....

1: logistics is getting real bad and getting worse
2: troop moral is wanning big time, cause of no food, clothing etc etc
3: 13 Generals are dead and other upper more in other rankings....
4: with an estimate of 32000 dead and more than likely 3 times that wounded.....make it hard for Russia to regroup especially when now pooty is all in
5: decention in the ranks at home and also arson of major buildings, including recruitment centers....
6: to take Odessa< russia would have to use landing craft with that there is one problem anti-ship missles and other MSLR vehicles....
32,000 dead? More HP numbers? The Russians are not falling apart as predicted. If they know anything of warfare they know to destroy everything. Pretty sure we will see more of it. As bad as the Russians have done with what they got they will just make it into a war of attrition. They are framing it now as a war with Nato which it really is. I think they will not stop yet and I do not think the Ukrainians have enough firepower to change the outcome yet.
 

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Russia's Interior Ministry Creates New Department to Enforce Martial Law
Russia’s Interior Ministry has created a new department to help enforce martial law, the country’s state-run TASS news agency reported Tuesday.

The Main Directorate of Rapid Response will also coordinate ministry forces if a state of emergency or a counter-terrorism operation is declared in the country.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said the new measures reflected “current demands,” while Interior Ministry spokeswoman Irina Volk said the department would help “strengthen” the ministry’s forces.

The new department will also be charged with protecting Interior Ministry buildings, including against terrorist attacks, as well as organizing civil defense activities. It will also deal with reports on crime and administrative offenses.

Moscow has repeatedly said that is not planning to declare martial law in Russia following the invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24. Under Russia’s legislation, martial law would see military rule temporarily substitute civilian law, allowing civil liberties such as the right to free movement or freedom of speech to be temporarily suspended.
 

printer

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Zelensky says Ukraine’s forces ‘holding out’ but outnumbered in Severodonetsk
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday said “we’re holding out” in the flashpoint eastern city of Severodonetsk but said of Russian forces there that “there are more of them and they are stronger”. Zelensky's remarks came after he met with frontline troops in neighbouring Lysychansk on Sunday.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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But the West's cupboard is not endless either. The Russians are going to try to keep all of Donbas and capture the land up to and including Odessa. Actually I posted an article from Russia (was it yesterday or the day before?) giving the coming objectives. And after the capture teritorys will have their referendum to join Russia, which they will all vote to do.
maybe not endless, but much deeper than the russians cupboards. they're relying on old ordinance.
the economy of russia ranked between South Korea and Brazil...not completely insignificant, but not major players, either...
9 of the top ten economically ranked countries in the world are supplying Ukraine, and using the situation as an excuse to modernize their own arsenals...Much deeper cupboards than russia has to draw on.
they may gain the territory that they want, but it's going to cost them, dearly, and they will struggle to keep it afterwards...the same situation as before will exist, but with the Ukrainians much better armed, and much better trained...
this isn't going to end well for the russians, whether they withdraw now, or face a battle of attrition for years.
 

BudmanTX

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32,000 dead? More HP numbers? The Russians are not falling apart as predicted. If they know anything of warfare they know to destroy everything. Pretty sure we will see more of it. As bad as the Russians have done with what they got they will just make it into a war of attrition. They are framing it now as a war with Nato which it really is. I think they will not stop yet and I do not think the Ukrainians have enough firepower to change the outcome yet.
actually those numbers come from Nato itself and Ukraine.....and with what they are doing now, they can't sustain it.....if the UA can just hold out, they've got the Russian



well see over time
 

DIY-HP-LED

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At least they have western medicines and support, we've been sending billions in medical aid too. Dunno how the Russian wounded are treated, but I suspect conditions to be primitive. Hopefully the artillery we are sending will make a difference in the artillery fight, that's what causes most of the injuries, few are shot.
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Ukraine War: Inside a fortified hospital full of wounded soldiers
8,991 views Jun 8, 2022 Sky News visits a military hospital in a secret eastern Ukrainian location, where patients with horrific burns and shrapnel wounds fear they could be a target for Russian air strikes.
 

printer

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actually those numbers come from Nato itself and Ukraine.....and with what they are doing now, they can't sustain it.....if the UA can just hold out, they've got the Russian



well see over time
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asserted that some 30,000 Russian service members have been killed, while the British government estimates that number could be closer to 15,000. But Moscow still has massive reserves of military personnel and conscripts, even if they are poorly trained and equipped, and has shown no intention of backing down from the war.


Zelensky claimed Russia has lost more than 30,000 soldiers in the war, while NATO and the United Kingdom’s Defense Ministry have estimated Russian troop losses of at least 15,000.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asserted that some 30,000 Russian service members have been killed, while the British government estimates that number could be closer to 15,000. But Moscow still has massive reserves of military personnel and conscripts, even if they are poorly trained and equipped, and has shown no intention of backing down from the war.


Zelensky claimed Russia has lost more than 30,000 soldiers in the war, while NATO and the United Kingdom’s Defense Ministry have estimated Russian troop losses of at least 15,000.
i'm not quite as optimistic as diy, it's far from over, and it will be a bloody fight. but i have confidence that Ukraine not only can win, but that they will win...
if you split the difference between those two estimates, that's 22,000 dead, which statistically, means more than 50,000 wounded too badly to fight any longer, so a fair estimate would seem to me to be 70,000 russians out of the fight.
while they have nearly a million in their armed services, they only have about 280,000 actual soldiers...that would be a 25% loss...in less than four months. tell me they can sustain those kinds of losses.
the Ukrainians started the war with 195,000 actual soldiers, i can't find accurate numbers at the moment for how many have volunteered since the war started, but most estimates are 20,000 or more. they have another 11,000,000 men of appropriate age if they need them.
the best estimates say that around 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, with another 18,000 wounded too badly to fight.
that's less than 8%, or a third of the russians losses, on a percentage basis.
the math just keeps saying the russians are hemorrhaging men and material, at a rate they cannot sustain. lets just hope the situation doesn't change drastically any time soon.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Hold my bear! - How russia managed to loose reputation, influence and become North Korea 2.0
712 views Jun 8, 2022 From "demilitarization" to fight against NATO (yes, they think so). Here are the main mistakes of russian geopolitics during the last 30 years And Ukraine should become the LAST russian mistake
that sounds like dennis the pilot guy narrating?
 

schuylaar

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asserted that some 30,000 Russian service members have been killed, while the British government estimates that number could be closer to 15,000. But Moscow still has massive reserves of military personnel and conscripts, even if they are poorly trained and equipped, and has shown no intention of backing down from the war.


Zelensky claimed Russia has lost more than 30,000 soldiers in the war, while NATO and the United Kingdom’s Defense Ministry have estimated Russian troop losses of at least 15,000.

Older recruits skilled in high tech is kind of an oxymoron.
 

printer

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i'm not quite as optimistic as diy, it's far from over, and it will be a bloody fight. but i have confidence that Ukraine not only can win, but that they will win...
if you split the difference between those two estimates, that's 22,000 dead, which statistically, means more than 50,000 wounded too badly to fight any longer, so a fair estimate would seem to me to be 70,000 russians out of the fight.
while they have nearly a million in their armed services, they only have about 280,000 actual soldiers...that would be a 25% loss...in less than four months. tell me they can sustain those kinds of losses.
the Ukrainians started the war with 195,000 actual soldiers, i can't find accurate numbers at the moment for how many have volunteered since the war started, but most estimates are 20,000 or more. they have another 11,000,000 men of appropriate age if they need them.
the best estimates say that around 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, with another 18,000 wounded too badly to fight.
that's less than 8%, or a third of the russians losses, on a percentage basis.
the math just keeps saying the russians are hemorrhaging men and material, at a rate they cannot sustain. lets just hope the situation doesn't change drastically any time soon.
I am wondering where they are treating the 50k, wounded. I am guessing there should be somebody noticing. Belarus .
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I am wondering where they are treating the 50k, wounded. I am guessing there should be somebody noticing. Belarus .
russia would have evacuated some, you would think...but maybe not?...the Ukrainians say they only have about 600 russian pows...¿
this is from march
https://www.dw.com/en/wounded-russian-soldiers-fill-belarusian-hospitals/a-61181434
this is from may :shock:
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-officers-killing-their-own-wounded-say-captured-soldiers-video-1707074

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/23/up-to-15000-russians-have-died-in-ukraine/?sh=6dcb289d5b11
"In Afghanistan, where the Soviet Union fought a disastrous war that presaged America’s own failed campaign a generation later, the Soviet army suffered three or four wounded for every soldier who died. It’s possible that, if you combine killed and wounded, the Russian army in Ukraine—which at its peak strength included around 125,000 people—has buried or sent to hospitals 50,000."
that was from may as well, possibly as many as 50K in may
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I am wondering where they are treating the 50k, wounded. I am guessing there should be somebody noticing. Belarus .
It would be a good question for some journalists to ask, because there were at least 50K Russian wounded seriously enough to need hospitalization. That would overload any healthcare system in the span of 3 months and I don't think their military hospitals have that much capacity or staff. There must be guys in Russia with body parts missing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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See the powerful US weapons Ukrainian troops use on front lines
58,727 views Jun 9, 2022 Ukrainian troops say weapons provided by the US are giving them an advantage because they are lighter and more precise than the ones used by Russia. CNN's Matthew Chance reports from the front lines.
 
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