War

DIY-HP-LED said:

WW2 ended with a diplomatic settlement called an unconditional surrender. Ukraine will not give up territory, why should they? They can defeat the Russian army in the field and destroy them as a future fighting force, one might as well negotiate with Hitler. They simply cannot be trusted and they would never let Ukraine develop their resources in peace. The people of the country want this and the west will have to stab them in the back to get them to agree and we've done that once too often. Zelenskiy could not and would not, even try to change their minds and if we pulled the pin on them it would cause NATO to break apart and create a larger war.

Macron might want it and Germany might want it, but I can assure you the eastern Europeans allies like Poland will side with Ukraine. They want Russia destroyed as a military power and future threat. The west cannot do it without Ukraine's approval and doing a deal with a war criminal to give away another countries territory and people to a war criminal is unacceptable, not just to Ukraine, but to many of it's allies too. It would also hurt Biden politically as it would any leaders who pushed it and want to strangle Ukraine. These countries are not making the major sacrifices they are making to allow Putin to get away with imperial conquest.

I never heard Lloyd personally walk back his statement about destroying the Russian army yet, though there was some diplomatic back peddling. Of course they are gonna talk peace while conducting war, Putin does it all the time and it means nothing. The eastern European states have had a good look at the Russian army and don't fear it as they did once and a smaller alliance than NATO could deal with them. One only has to look at the enthusiasm of many of these nations and how much of their military budgets they devoted. Sweden and Finland would have their confidence shaken if we force Ukraine to agree to Russia's crimes. Perhaps as part of the agreement the war crimes will be forgotten and the sanctions lifted? How about compensating Russia for their losses and returning all the frozen money?

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This is some serious delusion. Ukraine will be abandoned, as the criminals running the USA have gotten all they can out of this psyop, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, Ukrainians and their supporters are told to keep fighting, that they are winning, that Russia is on the brink of collapse. One wonders how you will take the news when all the obfuscation disappears.

Mirtaz said:

This is some serious delusion. Ukraine will be abandoned, as the criminals running the USA have gotten all they can out of this psyop, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, Ukrainians and their supporters are told to keep fighting, that they are winning, that Russia is on the brink of collapse. One wonders how you will take the news when all the obfuscation disappears.

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The Russian army will be destroyed by the end of the summer, Belarus will eventually be liberated and the Russian federation will dissolve. Russia's invasion of imperial conquest will end in defeat and humiliation for Russia, with the loss of Crimea. Once their army in Ukraine is destroyed they won't have any choice in the matter. We are getting there and much of the heavy iron they are getting has yet to be deployed. The Russian army really sucks and embarrassed themselves, nobody respects or fears them any more, the myth died on the fields in Ukraine. Corrupt leaders and whip driven savage slaves, by incompetent fools using obsolete equipment and tactics from another era.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it's nice to see that republicans don't have a monopoly on being huge, shameful, stupidly bad liars...i wonder what they're going to tell their people when this is finally over, things go half way back to normal, and a lot of them catch up on the real news from outside putin's lie factory? i wonder how long after the war is over it will take for all the people with kids that won't be coming home to figure out that they've been lied to? i wonder what all the wounded, maimed, crippled soldiers are going to be telling people about their roles in the "special military operation" to denazify a nation with a Jewish president?

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Exactly what I think when I read the articles. You can keep a lie going for a little while, what happens when things get around? Same as always there, blame The West. They actually were saying the reason they attacked was because Ukraine wanted to get nukes.

"16 Apr 2021
A Ukrainian diplomat has reportedly warned Kyiv may be forced to acquire nuclear weapons to safeguard the country’s security if NATO does not accede to its membership demand amid spiralling tensions with neighbouring Russia."

See, we were only doing it to keep Russia safe.

The drone war: Ukrainian-produced UAV-killers help to keep the sky closed
7,129 views Jun 6, 2022 War of drones in Ukraine: servicemen of the 128th separate mountain assault brigade shot down a Russian kamikaze drone ‘Cube’. This was reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The device, developed by the Kalashnikov concern, does not return to the operator and attacks the target either by directly hitting or descending by parachute and exploding. In the fight against Russian drones, Ukrainian servicemen are assisted by both foreign military equipment and the developments of Ukrainian engineers. More details in our following report.

Mirtaz said:

This is some serious delusion. Ukraine will be abandoned, as the criminals running the USA have gotten all they can out of this psyop, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, Ukrainians and their supporters are told to keep fighting, that they are winning, that Russia is on the brink of collapse. One wonders how you will take the news when all the obfuscation disappears.

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about the same as you'll take the news of russia's humiliating total defeat, the news that putin is an incompetent criminal, leading a government made up of incompetent criminals and brutal lackeys that lost to a country with less than a third of it's population...

Mirtaz said:

This is some serious delusion. Ukraine will be abandoned, as the criminals running the USA have gotten all they can out of this psyop, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, Ukrainians and their supporters are told to keep fighting, that they are winning, that Russia is on the brink of collapse. One wonders how you will take the news when all the obfuscation disappears.

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Well we do get news from Mother Russia how the war is going. I would hazard a guess that the truth is somewhere in between. Russia says there has been a little over 2k Russians killed, that they do not target civilians, that the Ukrainians are, heck just give me a minute.

Kadyrov spoke about sending a new group of volunteers to Ukraine
16:46, June 6, 2022
The head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , announced the dispatch of a new group of volunteers from Grozny to Ukraine. These are specialists who have been trained at the Russian University of Special Forces (RUS) in Gudermes , he said on Telegram .

According to the head of the republic, volunteers came to RUS from almost every region to acquire the relevant skills. In addition, the public foundation named after the Hero of Russia Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov equipped them with modern weapons and equipment, he added.

Earlier, Kadyrov published a video, which again confirmed the takeover by Russian troops of the residential area of Severodonetsk in the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR). On the footage, Apty Alaudinov, an adviser for the power unit, showed the building of the city SBU and talked with sellers in the store.

On June 1, the head of Chechnya announced the completion of the total cleansing of Severodonetsk. According to him, Russian fighters have begun a more thorough inspection of industrial zones.

Fighting and destruction intensifies around Severodonetsk; UK to send long-range missiles to Ukraine
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Situation in Severodonetsk has ‘deteriorated,’ official says, likening its destruction to Mariupol’s
The situation in Severodonetsk, the focus of intense fighting in eastern Ukraine between Russian forces and Ukrainian troops, has “deteriorated somewhat,” according to the governor of the Luhansk region.

“The fighting is very dynamic,” Serhiy Haidai, governor of the eastern Luhansk province, said in an update on Telegram on Monday.
“Half of the city was recaptured during the counteroffensive, but we are now holding positions in the industrial zone,” he said, adding that the amount of shelling in the Severodonetsk and Lysychansk cities has “increased tenfold.”

He said that there are a number of cities in the Luhansk region that are in a situation comparable to Mariupol, the heavily destroyed southern port city now in the hands of Russia.

“Now the Russians are leveling Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk to the ground,” he said.

Seems Russia has achieved " total cleansing" of Severodonetsk while at the same time fighting rages on. Russian news would be funny if it were not for the death and destruction going on.

AFU powerfully fired at Donetsk, Putin promises a response to the supply of weapons. The main thing about SVO by the evening of June 5
June 05, 2022 at 22:23
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) launched a massive strike on Donetsk, Russian President Vladimir Putin promised to respond to the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine. URA.RU brings the main news about the special operation in Ukraine by the evening of June 5.

I guess if you are going to run out of ammunition you might as well go out with a bang, don't you think?

The Times: VPN has become an outlet for tens of millions of Russians
Every sixth Russian uses VPN services to bypass blocking. Such data are provided by the British newspaper The Times.

“Data collected for The Times shows that 24 million Russians used a VPN last month. In February, that figure was 1.6 million people,” reports The Times.

Earlier, more than 20 VPN services were blocked in Russia . Roskomnadzor explained that only those services that violated Russian law were blocked . Andrey Klishas, chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation, said that a VPN ban is possible, but the people who use it will not be held responsible, the National News Service reports .

Wonder why Mother Russia would be afraid of Russians using VPN's?

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The Times: VPN has become an outlet for tens of millions of Russians
Every sixth Russian uses VPN services to bypass blocking. Such data are provided by the British newspaper The Times.

“Data collected for The Times shows that 24 million Russians used a VPN last month. In February, that figure was 1.6 million people,” reports The Times.

Earlier, more than 20 VPN services were blocked in Russia . Roskomnadzor explained that only those services that violated Russian law were blocked . Andrey Klishas, chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation, said that a VPN ban is possible, but the people who use it will not be held responsible, the National News Service reports .

The Times: VPN стал выходом для десятков миллионов россиян

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Wonder why Mother Russia would be afraid of Russians using VPN's?

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kinda makes ya curious doesn't it.....

printer said:

Well we do get news from Mother Russia how the war is going. I would hazard a guess that the truth is somewhere in between. Russia says there has been a little over 2k Russians killed, that they do not target civilians, that the Ukrainians are, heck just give me a minute.

Kadyrov spoke about sending a new group of volunteers to Ukraine
16:46, June 6, 2022
The head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , announced the dispatch of a new group of volunteers from Grozny to Ukraine. These are specialists who have been trained at the Russian University of Special Forces (RUS) in Gudermes , he said on Telegram .

According to the head of the republic, volunteers came to RUS from almost every region to acquire the relevant skills. In addition, the public foundation named after the Hero of Russia Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov equipped them with modern weapons and equipment, he added.

Earlier, Kadyrov published a video, which again confirmed the takeover by Russian troops of the residential area of Severodonetsk in the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR). On the footage, Apty Alaudinov, an adviser for the power unit, showed the building of the city SBU and talked with sellers in the store.

On June 1, the head of Chechnya announced the completion of the total cleansing of Severodonetsk. According to him, Russian fighters have begun a more thorough inspection of industrial zones.

Кадыров рассказал об отправке новой группы добровольцев на Украину

Глава Чечни Рамзан Кадыров заявил об отправке из Грозного на Украину новой группы добровольцев. Это специалисты, которые прошли подготовку в Российском университете спецназа в Гудермесе. По словам главы республики, для получения соответствующих навыков добровольцы съехались в РУС почти из...

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Fighting and destruction intensifies around Severodonetsk; UK to send long-range missiles to Ukraine
Jun 6 20229:00 AM
5 Hours Ago
Situation in Severodonetsk has ‘deteriorated,’ official says, likening its destruction to Mariupol’s
The situation in Severodonetsk, the focus of intense fighting in eastern Ukraine between Russian forces and Ukrainian troops, has “deteriorated somewhat,” according to the governor of the Luhansk region.

“The fighting is very dynamic,” Serhiy Haidai, governor of the eastern Luhansk province, said in an update on Telegram on Monday.
“Half of the city was recaptured during the counteroffensive, but we are now holding positions in the industrial zone,” he said, adding that the amount of shelling in the Severodonetsk and Lysychansk cities has “increased tenfold.”

He said that there are a number of cities in the Luhansk region that are in a situation comparable to Mariupol, the heavily destroyed southern port city now in the hands of Russia.

“Now the Russians are leveling Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk to the ground,” he said.

Zelenskyy seeks a corridor for grain shipments; U.S. moves to seize planes from Abramovich

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited two towns in the Donbas in his second public visit outside the Kyiv region since the war began.

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Seems Russia has achieved " total cleansing" of Severodonetsk while at the same time fighting rages on. Russian news would be funny if it were not for the death and destruction going on.

AFU powerfully fired at Donetsk, Putin promises a response to the supply of weapons. The main thing about SVO by the evening of June 5
June 05, 2022 at 22:23
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) launched a massive strike on Donetsk, Russian President Vladimir Putin promised to respond to the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine. URA.RU brings the main news about the special operation in Ukraine by the evening of June 5.

ВСУ мощно обстреляли Донецк, Путин обещает ответ поставкам оружия

Главное об СВО к вечеру 5 июня

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I guess if you are going to run out of ammunition you might as well go out with a bang, don't you think?

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You, you and you. You have just volunteered.

Mirtaz said:

This is some serious delusion. Ukraine will be abandoned, as the criminals running the USA have gotten all they can out of this psyop, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, Ukrainians and their supporters are told to keep fighting, that they are winning, that Russia is on the brink of collapse. One wonders how you will take the news when all the obfuscation disappears.

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Russia will be such a quaint and quiet place after its transition back to the 18th century is complete. They might even become the first nation that meets zero emissions goals.

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Earlier, Kadyrov published a video, which again confirmed the takeover by Russian troops of the residential area of Severodonetsk in the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR). On the footage, Apty Alaudinov, an adviser for the power unit, showed the building of the city SBU and talked with sellers in the store.

On June 1, the head of Chechnya announced the completion of the total cleansing of Severodonetsk. According to him, Russian fighters have begun a more thorough inspection of industrial zones.

Кадыров рассказал об отправке новой группы добровольцев на Украину

Глава Чечни Рамзан Кадыров заявил об отправке из Грозного на Украину новой группы добровольцев. Это специалисты, которые прошли подготовку в Российском университете спецназа в Гудермесе. По словам главы республики, для получения соответствующих навыков добровольцы съехались в РУС почти из...

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That industrial zone the tic toc soldiers are going to clear, is where the Ukrainian foreign legion is stationed with many former western special forces, former US navy seals and such. They were defending civilians sheltering in the industrial zone and most are experienced urban warfare specialists, these guys are well equipped and are more part of the Ukrainian army. They will withdraw though, after killing as many Russians as practical, or they could stay as kinda bait, to lure in the Russians under their guns on the other side of the river. From some reports, it appears the Russians have figured out that this is a prepared killing ground for them, or at least some of them have.

Nothing promotes liberal democracy like fighting for and under it when it has responsible, competent government. It helps even more when you're fighting against the opposite and see what corruption and cronyism and disaster a dictatorship produces. In North America and the UK the legions ruled politics after WW2, the veterans filled the halls of power and local legion branches were political powerhouses that none dare to cross.

I figure the same thing will happen in Ukraine, that national sense of purpose and cohesion takes a long time to wear off, it has to die off. They are usually for responsible government by smart people, because they severed under smart people and know it's value. They generally have a very low tolerance for corruption and defense is always a top priority. I think Zelenskiy's political future will be secure with them, if they can drive the Russians out of Ukraine, because nobody teaches the value of liberal democracy and responsible government like Zellenskiy. They and their officers did their jobs well and so did he, by being up for the challenge and better at it than most.

Could be a way of controlling Vlad, we are sending less than 10, however, if you fuck with grain shipments, or use missiles on cities. The number of systems given to the Ukrainians will be rapidly increased, the Ukrainian crews are pretrained and the equipment is in Europe and will be shipped and used against your army the next day.
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UK to send first long-range missiles to Ukraine - BBC News
19,316 views Jun 6, 2022 The UK is sending its first long-range missiles to Ukraine, the defence secretary has said, despite a threat from Russia to the West. Ben Wallace said the M270 multiple-launch rocket system will help Ukraine defend itself against Russia.

The government has not confirmed how many weapons will be sent, but the BBC understands it will be three initially. The decision comes after the US announced last week it was also supplying a rocket system.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Could be a way of controlling Vlad, we are sending less than 10, however, if you fuck with grain shipments, or use missiles on cities. The number of systems given to the Ukrainians will be rapidly increased, the Ukrainian crews are pretrained and the equipment is in Europe and will be shipped and used against your army the next day.
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UK to send first long-range missiles to Ukraine - BBC News
19,316 views Jun 6, 2022 The UK is sending its first long-range missiles to Ukraine, the defence secretary has said, despite a threat from Russia to the West. Ben Wallace said the M270 multiple-launch rocket system will help Ukraine defend itself against Russia.

The government has not confirmed how many weapons will be sent, but the BBC understands it will be three initially. The decision comes after the US announced last week it was also supplying a rocket system.

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So ten, and the four from the US. While a handy addition, probably not something that will take on the bulk of the Russian artillery but rather high value targets.

Mortar Team In Donetsk Region Duels With Russian Opponents
80,483 views Jun 6, 2022 RFE/RL correspondent Roman Pahulych winessed on June 2 a Ukrainian mortar team in the Donetsk region targeting Russian troops, who are also targeting them. "Usually, it's the third shell that hits the target," according to one Ukrainian soldier.

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So ten, and the four from the US. While a handy addition, probably not something that will take on the bulk of the Russian artillery but rather high value targets.

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actually it's six from us, they are sending 2 HIMAR's too, plus the other 4. HIMARS are the long distance ones

Ukraine's 'Foreign Legion' On The Syevyerodonetsk Front Line
225,603 views Jun 6, 2022 Volunteers from Georgia, France, Australia, Brazil, and other countries are fighting on the front line in the battle for the eastern Ukrainian city of Syevyerodonetsk. RFE/RL's Maryan Kushnir accompanied a unit of men who say they have come from abroad to help defend Ukraine.

Russian Officials Rush to Buy Empty Grave Plots — Investigation
Regional officials across Russia are rushing to buy fresh graves plots at an “abnormal“ rate, investigative news outlet Mozhem Obyasnit reported Monday.

The number of burials purchased by local governments far outstrips figures from previous years, according to public procurement records.

The sudden shift in policy could be linked to unreported deaths among the Russian military fighting in Ukraine, Mozhem Obyasnit wrote on Telegram. Russian authorities usually only purchase graves for those who have died without relatives, or for people from vulnerable groups whose families cannot pay for their funerals.

Officials in Russia’s Far Eastern region of Khabarovsk have asked contractors to prepare some 700 burial sites, compared to a similar order of just 120 graves five years earlier.

Authorities in Siberia’s Krasnoyarsk region ordered 100 plots to be dug by the end of the year, while dozens more were ordered by the Urals’ city of Kopeysk and the northwestern republic of Karelia.

The discovery comes days after Ukraine and Russia exchanged the bodies of hundreds of deceased servicemen for the first time since the conflict began on Feb. 24.

The Russian government announced in March that 1,351 soldiers had been killed in the invasion of Ukraine, but has not released any official figures since.

Open-source data collected by independent Russian media meanwhile has verified the deaths of more than 3,000 Russian soldiers as of late May.

Some of Russia’s most impoverished regions, including the Republics of Buryatia, Dagestan and Chechnya, reported the highest number of casualties, with deaths in excess of 100 soldiers.

Other estimates on Russia’s death toll range from 15,000 by the British Defense Ministry, to more than 30,000 casualties reported by Ukrainian officials.

In Graphs: How Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Impacted Russia
The Kremlin confirmed the death of 1,351 Russian soldiers in Ukraine on March 25 – but no updated death toll has been released since then. Instead, data aggregated by independent news outlet iStories from thousands of news articles and social media posts suggests the current count is 3,104.

However, even that number is likely to be far short of Russia’s real losses. U.S. military analyst Michael Kofman has estimated that about 10,000 soldiers have been killed.

A visualization of the hometowns of killed Russian soldiers identified by iStories point to sharp socioeconomic discrepancies with men from Russia’s poorest regions far more likely to end up at the front. Soldiers from the North Caucasus republics of Chechnya and Dagestan, as well as the Siberian republic of Buryatia, top the list of Russia’s reported casualties.

Arson attacks
Four days after the start of the war, a 21-year-old resident from the Moscow region town of Luhovitsy threw several Molotov cocktails into a local military recruitment office. He later told police that the attack was an act of protest against the possibility of full military mobilization.
Since then, more than a dozen military enlistment offices across Russia and in annexed Crimea have been subjected to arson attacks.

BudmanTX said:

actually it's six from us, they are sending 2 HIMAR's too, plus the other 4. HIMARS are the long distance ones

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Do you know the range of the long distance ones? The distance to the bridge from Ukrainian held territory is 183 miles and I think the longest range missile is about 186 miles.