What is your faith, path or belief?

CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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So if we don't put the image of man in G*D we can't sense the divinity? I don't buy that.

of course you are missing the entire engine which produces "G*D", and that is death. It's a knee jerk response from a smart ape, nothing more.


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a brasileira

a brasileira

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CrackerJax said:
So if we don't put the image of man in G*D we can't sense the divinity? I don't buy that.

of course you are missing the entire engine which produces "G*D", and that is death. It's a knee jerk response from a smart ape, nothing more.


:peace:



out. :blsmoke:
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good point. i guess what i mean is that having images helps many people to relate to that life force.

and i don't see anything wrong with worship of God being a result of the fear of death...for many who fear, God is just as real as death...

and as far as smart apes go...
different conversation.
:-]

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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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If worship to assuage your fear of death was strictly a private matter and a wholly personal one, I might agree. However, most religions use the concept of building control through the populations of their particular faiths, giving rise to war and violence.

If there was one PURE definition of G*D known and agreed on by all peoples, I might get on board with that.

How's that going so far? :lol: Just look to Israel and Palestine and feel the Muslim HATE for another religion.

I might have to take back the smart ape comment :mrgreen:


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a brasileira

a brasileira

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CrackerJax said:
If worship to assuage your fear of death was strictly a private matter and a wholly personal one, I might agree. However, most religions use the concept of building control through the populations of their particular faiths, giving rise to war and violence.

If there was one PURE definition of G*D known and agreed on by all peoples, I might get on board with that.

How's that going so far? :lol: Just look to Israel and Palestine and feel the Muslim HATE for another religion.

I might have to take back the smart ape comment :mrgreen:


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my religious/spiritual views ARE strictly personal, i've never stood on a street corner ordering people to "yield their hearts to the words of the omnipotent Goddess!".

it is wrong when people use their "religion" to control others: however, that's not what pure religion is all about...it should be about connecting with divinity, about understanding your place in the universe...and sadly, religions that have good intentions have largely turned into political powerhouses and nothing more.

yea man, i have a huge problem with the way islam has turned out...i have my issues with it, specifically the violence that is manifesting all around the world, but especially in the middle east amongst their own people (religious-wise).
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the beekeepers

the beekeepers

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a brasileira said:
i don't think we invented God...we just define the ultimite force of life in the universe and CALL it "god". sure we make it look like us (if one is into idols and statues like me), because it helps us to see the divinity in everything (as part of the divine "spark" if you will.), especially in ourselves, and it helps us to connect with life, and to realize that we control our destinies, blah blah blah.

i don't think any of us is smart per se...except for the ones who realize that they are not.
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Brilliant! Very eloquent and very concise but more humbling is the level of enlightenment revealed.

"there is nothing better than to know you don't know" Tao Te Ching ~Lao Tzu
 
misshestermoffitt

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Of course you did, he was in that movie "Oh God" that probably had something to do with it. I can agree, if there was a god, he'd look like George Burns, and I'd hope he'd have George's sense of humor too.
 
YoungClover

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puffdamagikdragon said:
This being a weed forum and all, I am ubber-curious whatall kinda spiritualities lurk about here.




I am a heretic, a Valentian gnostic. I am also a beginner Kabbalist.

I am a vegan as well, and while going for LPN I am also a horse whisperer.

I am a pothead and a wino, but I can do without just as well. (Have to, sometimes.)


Tell me about yourselves, your faith or beliefs, and what you love, what makes you happy.
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I am Agnostic, I really don't believe anything, it seems that nothing really seems to stick, but nothing doesn't work either, if that makes sense.

I plan on a career in software or game development, My main non work related hobbies are growing(of course), Gaming(I think that counts as one) and destroying entire continents with my eyes.

I am a pothead and tried salvia and shrooms, but I didn't like the loss of control so I won't be doing anything but pot ever again.
 
mr.red

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I am here to attempt to resurrect this thread.

I never post on here, but I just had to after reading all 62 pages of this amazing thread.

Personally.

I don't know.

I truly believe no one ever will.

I like string theory, you know, the idea of everything being made up of tiny little strings vibrating at different frequencies.

Though I suppose a scientific theory can be somewhat like a belief system...


BUT

I keep it simple, I go back to worshipping the sun.

I can see it.

Without it I would die.

And if I pray to it I have the same odds of my prayers getting answered as any other religion. (poorly paraphrasing george carlin)

I remember a bit ago someone talking about the micro/macrocosm.

I actually understood what he meant... I think

The idea is actually fairly simple, and can be summed up by saying the same laws the govern the universe govern something as small as our cells.. atoms.. quarks etc.


And the only way I can see any kind of "god" in there is that god is simply the way nature works. (science)

And, even with science we still have trouble trying to explain certain things.

Which is why those crazy religions are still there.

But I go back to what I said before..

I don't know, no one does.

The possibilities are infinite for the concept of a god or afterlife, our brains cannot comprehend what it might be like.

Then again there is always the possibility that there is nothing.

I don't like people that seem they are certain either way.

You have to think logically.

Lack of proof is not proof for nonexistence.

ie. There is no proof of unicorns... therefore they do not exist

Sorry, logically, it is a fallacy.

If it worked that way, I say there is not constitution.

Because I have never seen it in person, only heard about it.
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TeaTreeOil

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Secular humanist. Also a *strong* atheist(I claim there are no gods, and those who believe in such things are uhm... haha, I don't want to be mean). I recognize that all gods we 'know of' have been created by humans and inherit their(human) fallacies.

Truly, a god would represent himself(herself, it self). Yes? Why rely on 'pitiful'/imperfect humans? That makes absolutely no sense! If I were a god with absolute dogma I'd be sure to make it personally known to all I 'tend to'.

No afterlife, no 'separate but tangled soul'. No heaven, no hell. No moral distinctions(good vs evil) beyond 'do no harm'. If only we could all live up to such a simple three-word ideal. Instead it becomes 'do as little harm as possible'. It sadly becomes even worse... heavily worded, hypocritical, bullshit, and ultimately nonsensical. No 'mind', there's only a physical BRAIN.

If I drill a hole into your head(or lobotomize)... you surely will not be the same. I don't see any reason to believe(have faith) in that which is unprovable.
 
puffdamagikdragon

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Wow. Suprised this thread is still livin.

To TeaTree- Hay, lets not put down trepannin now. That mite have 'deeper' implications.

Substring theory, alternate universes and dark matter have just been 'spiritually' dealt with by my MOST favest of ALL authors, Phillip Pullman. Love his stuff. I have gone a little nuts over his stuff, actually.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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I posted earlier on another thread about evolution and lactose intolerance (connected??? yes they are :lol:) so, I'll put the same logic to work here...

Man is still in the process of evolution, and by some measures we are accelerating.

About 50k years ago, most all humans were lactose intolerance once out of childhood. Evolution dictated that you did not need milk for nutrition after a certain age. but a funny thing happened on the way to the buffalo hunt....a mutation occurred in some of the population, an allele shifted and humans started to become tolerant of milk through adulthood. This gave these "mutated" humans a distinct advantage as they were then capable of drawing far more calories from a single cow via milk and eventually the meat, whereas the 'regular" humans could only eat the cow once. All other things being equal, the "mutated" humans replaced MOST of the "regular" humans. So when you meet someone who is lactose intolerant, you are meeting a "regular" human, a throw back.

Huh? What does this have to do with faith? :lol:

Okay, In using the same methodology of mutation, it is conceivable that Agnostic/Atheism is the "mutation" and the Religious are the "regulars". It will take time but eventually as science peels the onion (tears for the faithful), athiesm/agniosticism will increase to displace the folks who believe in superstition.

At some point we will grow up and face the reality of our situation.

We don't know who created all of this. We don't know the purpose. We don't know if there is an after life.

I for one am content to not know, as opposed to just filling in whatever i need to feel good....even if it is absolutely wrong. :peace:


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TeaTreeOil

TeaTreeOil

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Everyone is born atheist!

Then there's, “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts

The universe was never created. Similarly it will never be destroyed. Everything is energy. Matter is just condensed energy. They're both subject to laws of conservation. Never lost, merely transient.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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In the end some people need the fairy tale, that's all..... :lol:

We didn't climb out of the trees that long ago you know... work in progress we are... the next model will be much improved.

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puffdamagikdragon

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While I don't discredit one bit of evolution, or Darwin, there is not one point I disagree on.

I just don't see why, if humans have evolved as 'animals' do, aren't we having bunnies and/or SOME other species doin some cave paintings and shit......

Other animals are just as they were when thier species developed and florished. Other animals create a symbiotic balance with themselves and thier surrounding environment. But not humans. Why? And why aren't other animals developing written language, technology, ect.

It ain't like humans aint' tryin to help them along, but they ain't pickin up on it......

Why have humans developed and not other animals?




The only problem I would have with 'atheism' as it is usually promoted, and with as much dogma and intolerance as any religious zealot, is the idea that there was nothing, and that nothing happened to nothing, and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Makes perfect sense.:-?



While I don't take the delusions of religion, I also don't think science has all the answers either. Tho they certainly have discovered alot, and explained alot, they are still missing alot, and it didn't just start existing cuz science just figgered it out. An absolute belief in science is as arrogant and delusional as any religious zealot, and they miss just as much as those they like to look down on so much.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
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