White nationalists sick of being called racist.

NoDrama said:

Then who has the rights and duties to your body and mind? Who owns the economic benefits of your labor? Since you state that you cannot own yourself, then who or what determines what you will eat, do or think throughout your life?
Since you do not own yourself, then you also cannot own intellectual property or original ideas.

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Human rights don't come from being property, they come from being human.

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You have stated unequivocally that you cannot take unowned resources and put them to your own personal gain. You don't have any rights to unowned resources, so stop breathing the air that you don't own, but which you use for your own personal gain.

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No. I did not state unequivocally anything like that, ya dummy. As to my right to breathe, human rights don't come from being property, they come from being human.

NoDrama said:

You have stated the belief that property rights come from Government. Which particular government agency is in charge of your rights anyway? And wouldn't it be better to use the term "ownership Privileges" instead of "rights" seeing as rights cannot come from any construct of man?

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Property rights come from government. In order to have such a "right", force is required in addition to the consent of one's community. If said -- yes I agree actually, ownership privileges -- are violated one has recourse only through force or one's community.

abandonconflict said:

What ever you say buddy.

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I'm glad you were able to concede the logical position to me by indicating your utter defeat with a personal attack. Perhaps next time you will be able to quantify an actual debate based on facts and evidence instead of mentally defunct and derogatory comments. I won't hold my breath though.

NoDrama said:

I'm glad you were able to concede the logical position to me by indicating your utter defeat with a personal attack. Perhaps next time you will be able to quantify an actual debate based on facts and evidence instead of mentally defunct and derogatory comments. I won't hold my breath though.

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You changed my quote in such a way that the meaning was altered and I returned the favor. I conceded nothing. You have posited nothing but distortions of my arguments and you apparently like fucking stray dogs in your pick up truck.

abandonconflict said:

You changed my quote in such a way that the meaning was altered and I returned the favor. I conceded nothing. You have posited nothing but distortions of my arguments and you apparently like fucking stray dogs in your pick up truck.

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I didn't change your quote one bit, in fact the only thing I did was erase the bullshit of your cognitive dissonance so that you could see the crux of your argument, a diametrically opposed one. I did not add a single word, apostrophe or other grammatical character anywhere in your quote, every word was written by you in the order in which it was quoted.

The quote you made was a complete fabrication. An unsuccessful attempt to hurt my feels, which I am sure is only a reaction to having had your post reduced to its essence of oppositional awareness. No one is distorting your views, you just have distorted views that I have now made come to light.

If people don't own themselves, then who gets the benefit of that person's labor? Who gets to decide on that person's future?
Only a person who owns himself can truly be free and autonomous.

Rob Roy said:

Oh London, I feel so bad for you that you are unable to distinguish between supporting a persons right to control their own body / property while not necessarily supporting the actions they take with that freedom.


Here's an example.

You own your self. You own your laundromat. You can wear the abandoned ladies underwear left behind at your laundromat, because now they belong to you. I wouldn't stop you from doing that. I support your right to do that.

I, on the other hand do not wear ladies underwear and even think your wearing it is a little odd. I'd go so far as saying you'd never see me do that. Besides my massive pectorals do not need support.

I hope that clears things up for you, have a great day. Good luck with solving your cognitive difficulties too.

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so why do you support discrimination based solely on skin color, and then insist that you are somehow not a racist white nationalist?

Rob Roy said:

I think languages sometimes do not have enough words to properly express some concepts.

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yeah, you just can't find enough ways to euphemize kicking black people out of your store because they are black.

NoDrama said:

If people don't own themselves, then who gets the benefit of that person's labor? Who gets to decide on that person's future?
Only a person who owns himself can truly be free and autonomous.

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how does kicking people out of stores based on their skin color lead to greater freedom and autonomy?

NoDrama said:

I didn't change your quote one bit, in fact the only thing I did was erase the bullshit

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Yes. You erased adjectives to make it seem like I was talking about the same rights. Property rights are not human rights because humans are not property.

See how I cut your quote here, I didn't cut it in a way that made it seem like you said something you didn't, I cut your bullshit. What you did made it seem like I said something I didn't.

abandonconflict said:

Yes. You erased adjectives to make it seem like I was talking about the same rights. Property rights are not human rights because humans are not property.

See how I cut your quote here, I didn't cut it in a way that made it seem like you said something you didn't, I cut your bullshit. What you did made it seem like I said something I didn't.

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So who gets the fruits of your labor since you clearly don't own them?

BTW, you have changed your argument, but still maintain contradictory views. You said that government granted humans property rights, but now argue that humans cannot be owned and therefore have no property rights.

When are you going to develop a theory which doesn't involve one side of your mouth saying the exact opposite of the other side?

FYI: All rights are human rights, rights cannot be granted by anyone or anything.

NoDrama said:

When are you going to develop a theory which doesn't involve one side of your mouth saying the exact opposite of the other side?

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aren't you the racist guy who opposes civil rights and then claims he does not oppose civil rights?

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So who gets the fruits of your labor since you clearly don't own them?

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Your employer who only pays an hourly wage and creates no wealth himself.

NoDrama said:

BTW, you have changed your argument, but still maintain contradictory views. You said that government granted humans property rights, but now argue that humans cannot be owned and therefore have no property rights.

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No, you're the one changing my arguments in your mind into something that you can understand, then you distort them in your explications. Property rights are not human rights, since they are granted by governments.

NoDrama said:

When are you going to develop a theory which doesn't involve one side of your mouth saying the exact opposite of the other side?

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When are you going to stop distorting my arguments and erasing adjectives to make it seem like I said something I didn't? I mean, we can either debate or we can bicker with eachother over your insistence that I said something I didn't just because you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what I actually said.

NoDrama said:

FYI: All rights are human rights, rights cannot be granted by anyone or anything.

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Except property rights, those are different from human rights because they are granted by governments. I do however agree with your earlier assertion that they should not be called rights at all since they are not human rights.

abandonconflict said:

Actually, my Veteran's disability check gives me more freedom and autonomy than your bigoted little white nationalist brain is capable of even imagining.

Inb4 pedophilia is described as consensual.

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If it is "yours" is it then your property? How did you acquire it?

Your freedom is based on the coercive government taking away others freedom and awarding you part of the proceeds.

You claim anarchy, yet you are like a feral dog hanging around the trash dumpsters at Wendy's looking for a tasty morsel.

You think you are free, but your leash is the check that you crave and rely upon, when that ends you might be able to make a better claim to actually being an anarchist.

Also, I'm not a white nationalist. I was born on a Pacific island and lived my earliest days in a hut. Nice try though.

Rob Roy said:

You think you are free, but your leash is the check that you crave and rely upon

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Yet because of it I have more freedom and autonomy than your bigoted little white nationalist brain is capable of even imagining.

abandonconflict said:

I don't support that. I am opposed to privatization altogether. You're the one who advocates privatization which is only possible through gov't authority.



That's not what I said, so no, we don't agree, not even close. People are not property at all. Human rights don't come from being property. They come from being human. Property rights come from government.



Property rights do indeed come from government. You don't make something from unowned natural resources. Stop making up hypothetical bullshit, this is an argument about reality.

Funny how you create an unrealistic scenario and then say it refutes my arguments. Too easy.

Dumb ancap.

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Actually we do agree on one point. Other people can't "own" other people. We agree on that.

We seem to disagree that an individual "owns" himself. You don't like the term I use.



I made some stuff yesterday from natural resources. It is now my property. Later this year, I'm going to eat it.

Property rights come from government? I thought checks for phony Anarchists came from them?

Rob Roy said:

If it is "yours" is it then your property? How did you acquire it?

Your freedom is based on the coercive government taking away others freedom and awarding you part of the proceeds.

You claim anarchy, yet you are like a feral dog hanging around the trash dumpsters at Wendy's looking for a tasty morsel.

You think you are free, but your leash is the check that you crave and rely upon, when that ends you might be able to make a better claim to actually being an anarchist.

Also, I'm not a white nationalist. I was born on a Pacific island and lived my earliest days in a hut. Nice try though.

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When will you be giving back your land to the people it was stolen from, so you can stop being a hypocrite

Rob Roy said:

Property rights come from government? I thought checks for phony Anarchists came from them?

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You seem jealous about it.

UncleBuck said:

so why do you support discrimination based solely on skin color, and then insist that you are somehow not a racist white nationalist?

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Here's an example that you might be able to wrap your meathead around...

I do not agree with your practice of shitting on floors. If you confine it to your floors, I support your right to do it.

I doubt I would associate with you, in fact I would be sympathetic to your poor floors, but if your runny pool of gerbil fur flecked excretia remained on your property, I support your right to control your own property.

If you went to other peoples property and insisted on leaving behind mounds of humanure, I would support their right to toss your foul ass to the curb.

I don't think government needs to be involved, but perhaps some bleach and a mop would.

londonfog said:

When will you be giving back your land to the people it was stolen from, so you can stop being a hypocrite

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How do you give something back your dead ancestors?

Also, could you please tell me one thing you like that the government does that isn't somehow connected or derived from coercive force?

At first you denied that was what happened, then you rationalized it. Yet, you've never answered my question above.

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You seem jealous about it.

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You have erroneously projected my feelings.

Also, you've never described what property is and who can own it. I'd rather not project your thoughts, but you seem reluctant to carry on a conversation where you define things. I wonder why.

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Here's an example that you might be able to wrap your meathead around...

I do not agree with your practice of shitting on floors. If you confine it to your floors, I support your right to do it.

I doubt I would associate with you, in fact I would be sympathetic to your poor floors, but if your runny pool of gerbil fur flecked excretia remained on your property, I support your right to control your own property.

If you went to other peoples property and insisted on leaving behind mounds of humanure, I would support their right to toss your foul ass to the curb.

I don't think government needs to be involved, but perhaps some bleach and a mop would.

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But why do you support discrimination based solely on skin color and then insist you are somehow not a racist white nationalist?