Why do American soldiers think...

Serapis

Serapis

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I bow to you Tip Top, you are right..... the American Government, in cohoots with the Lap Dog, planned to kill many Londoners and tourists so they could justify their bloody wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....... the American government, also planned and carried out 911, killing thousands of it's citizens, solely so we could liberate Afghanistan and Iraq...

I've been so blind. thanks for helping me to see....
 
DirtPoor

DirtPoor

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tip top toker said:
If you'll notice i'm quoting you. Where you state that as an american you have the right to freely travel in any country you wish, and that this is what your soldiers are fighting for.

My point is how the fuck does being american give you legal authority over another countries laws, i.e if they do not want you to travel in your country, how the fuck would being american allow you to ignore them and continue to do so

And my other point was how in hell are they protecting your right to freedom to move in america? The only people who would take away this right, would be your government, so how in any way does the army protect your right to travel in the USA?
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Excuse me, let me rephrase that statement...As an American, you can travel wherever you want; but once your out of the states you must abide by the laws and regulations of the place in which you are visiting. I never said anything about how being an American gives you legal authority over another countries laws...that is called an assumption. Im not trying to defend the military or even the government (personally i think the government is so corrupt that it will never see an honest day again)...Im just trying to defend the individual U.S. soldier, he's not better then you but you damn sure aren't better then him.
 
Mike Young

Mike Young

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420God said:
All the money in the world doesn't matter if you don't know how to manage it right.
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That statement in itself is an oxymoran. All the money in the world... Managed... People are gonna skim off the top every chance they get. Learned that from the movie Casino. :)
 
DirtPoor

DirtPoor

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Serapis said:
I bow to you Tip Top, you are right..... the American Government, in cohoots with the Lap Dog, planned to kill many Londoners and tourists so they could justify their bloody wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....... the American government, also planned and carried out 911, killing thousands of it's citizens, solely so we could liberate Afghanistan and Iraq...

I've been so blind. thanks for helping me to see....
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I believe 110% that 9/11 was set up by the government.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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DirtPoor said:
protecting our rights, as American citizens...and yes the right to freely travel in the USA and any other country that we so wish to travel in.
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I'm quoting you again, just to let you know... What "right" are you refering to then when tlaking about your right to freely travel in other countries? Because it's damned well not a common law right :lol: so i'm lost as to where my assumption was, unless by right you mean nothing of the sort. You either have common law rights or you have legal rights, such as your rights under the constitution, legal rights. Once you are in someone elses country you have NO RIGHTS other than those bestowed by the relevent legal authorities, such as the EU human rights court, or the UK parliament etc. So how are they protecting rights you don't have? Unless as i say, they are common law rights in which case we've a hell of a contradiction

So yes, you did say that you think americans have legal authority over blah blah blah, just not in so many words :)
 
DrFever

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to be honest soldiers are ordered to do one thing or another to really know whats goin on they dont they might have some thoughts on but in reality ask any american serving right now over seas they probably couldnt tell you why there there
its the people reporting news etc which is censored we as civilians have a right to know whats really goin on yet governments with hold information

with education terrible in usa average grade level is 8 hell obamas inauguration speach was in grade 10 level
and things people dont even know is more allies are killed from friendly fire by usa then one would think
but they wont show stastics
how many marines are addicted to drugs from being over seas you be surprised
costing tax payers even more
also with all the remote control devices being used in war sure soon you see the ultimate soldier being in robot form with no fear and feelings
 
DirtPoor

DirtPoor

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tip top toker said:
I'm quoting you again, just to let you know... What "right" are you refering to then when tlaking about your right to freely travel in other countries? Because it's damned well not a common law right :lol: so i'm lost as to where my assumption was, unless by right you mean nothing of the sort. You either have common law rights or you have legal rights, such as your rights under the constitution, legal rights. Once you are in someone elses country you have NO RIGHTS other than those bestowed by the relevent legal authorities, such as the EU human rights court, or the UK parliament etc. So how are they protecting rights you don't have? Unless as i say, they are common law rights in which case we've a hell of a contradiction

So yes, you did say that you think americans have legal authority over blah blah blah, just not in so many words :)
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http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html...The Right To Travel

As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
Thanks to Marko Liias for the idea. Thanks to W.H. van Atteveldt for the note about Congressional travel.

Im guessing that would now make it a common law right? And I was unaware but you are correct about not having rights in other countries. I didn't say that America has legal authority over any other country...either way you look at it
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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God, noone better mention wikileaks :lol: everything they post is lies though, the government never lied to you in any way.. :D

A i say though, you say "so you onestly believe they kill their own people", well to that "incredulous" question, i say what did sadam do, what is gadaffi doing, what have half the world leaders done, wait for it, killed their own people to retain power and control, so why is it such an impossible concept that someone else in the world could act in the same manner?
 
MuyLocoNC

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Keep in mind I'm not talking about all soldiers, just the ones who think they're better than everyone else for "protecting me"...
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They aren't better than EVERYONE else, but they are certainly better than you.

Maybe they feel they have more foreign affairs experience because they actually have foreign affairs experience. As in, they've actually been to these countries, spoken with the citizens, eaten with them and fought with them. As opposed to the limitless experience of a college student reading revised history and being lectured by a progressive professor with ZERO experience beyond reading those very same revised history books. Maybe that has some small part in their perceived superiority on that subject.

I tend to lean in their favor.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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DirtPoor said:
Dude wtf are you even talking about, does this pertain to the conversation?
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You made the stupid statement about your rights, you explain, that's what i've been asking the whole time :D just wtf are you on about. You makes a point about soldiers protecting your rights then act as if you don't know what you yourself were talking about. Very clever...

Gotta love some peoples ability to debate on this forum :D The moment you start getting shown up you call off topic :lol:
 
doc111

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So what then? The answer is to just live your life and let all this shit go on because the individual can't do a single thing about it?

I don't understand your thought process. It's like "well, nobody can do antything about it, you can't win, so why bother?".

Is that how you feel?
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Yeah, pretty much! Is there any point in spinning your wheels? You rail against everything that YOU perceive to be a problem. The problem is that the majority of people don't agree with you. You could sit on forums all day typing shit and trying to "change" the world, or you can DO something. I joined the military over 20 years ago, long before the U.S. became the world pariah. I was a medic. I fed and vaccinated Somali children, hundreds of them! I spent nearly 15 years fighting fire and helping sick and injured people for a living. I've done SOMETHING with my life and I would do it all again, even with all the horrific things I've been exposed to, I wouldn't change a thing. If everybody would actually do SOMETHING constructive with their lives, perhaps the world wouldnt' be the shithole it is. I've helped my fellow man as much as I could. I wish I could've done more, but my days of running into burning buildings and patching people up are over. I have a permanent, debilitating back injury. This happened to me in the line of duty. I was awarded a disability pension and before they even cut the first check, they put the brakes on it. I had to pay thousands of dollars of my OWN money and spent years fighting this only to get a piddly 20%. When I am retirement age, my normal retirement will kick in, but until then I'm pretty much screwed. That's a brief overview of what I'VE done with MY life. I'll let you judge for yourself whether or not the things I did were noble or not. I believe they were. Now, what's YOUR plan for "fixing" the ills of the world?:bigjoint:
 
420God

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I might not have helped in the service like doc111 but even I as a Native to this land try and help where I can.

I pick up roadkill that people hit with there cars and compost the remains helping to restore nature.

I even go out of my way and process some of the animals and donate meat to zoos and raptor centers.

Everyone needs to do their part or they have no right to complain.
 
DirtPoor

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tip top toker said:
You made the stupid statement about your rights, you explain, that's what i've been asking the whole time :D just wtf are you on about. You makes a point about soldiers protecting your rights then act as if you don't know what you yourself were talking about. Very clever...

Gotta love some peoples ability to debate on this forum :D The moment you start getting shown up you call off topic :lol:
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Dude get over yourself, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong just as I did about rights in other countries. I know exactly what I'm talking about genius that's not what I asked you...I'm not sure how what you said goes with anything I was talking about.
 
DirtPoor

DirtPoor

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doc111 said:
Yeah, pretty much! Is there any point in spinning your wheels? You rail against everything that YOU perceive to be a problem. The problem is that the majority of people don't agree with you. You could sit on forums all day typing shit and trying to "change" the world, or you can DO something. I joined the military over 20 years ago, long before the U.S. became the world pariah. I was a medic. I fed and vaccinated Somali children, hundreds of them! I spent nearly 15 years fighting fire and helping sick and injured people for a living. I've done SOMETHING with my life and I would do it all again, even with all the horrific things I've been exposed to, I wouldn't change a thing. If everybody would actually do SOMETHING constructive with their lives, perhaps the world wouldnt' be the shithole it is. I've helped my fellow man as much as I could. I wish I could've done more, but my days of running into burning buildings and patching people up are over. I have a permanent, debilitating back injury. This happened to me in the line of duty. I was awarded a disability pension and before they even cut the first check, they put the brakes on it. I had to pay thousands of dollars of my OWN money and spent years fighting this only to get a piddly 20%. When I am retirement age, my normal retirement will kick in, but until then I'm pretty much screwed. That's a brief overview of what I'VE done with MY life. I'll let you judge for yourself whether or not the things I did were noble or not. I believe they were. Now, what's YOUR plan for "fixing" the ills of the world?:bigjoint:
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Others may not appreciate what you have done, I sir do...thank you.
 
doc111

doc111

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420God said:
I might not have helped in the service like doc111 but even I as a Native to this land try and help where I can.

I pick up roadkill that people hit with there cars and compost the remains helping to restore nature.

I even go out of my way and process some of the animals and donate meat to zoos and raptor centers.

Everyone needs to do their part or they have no right to complain.
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That's what I'm talkin' about! Not everybody can go off and join the Peace Corps, and the military isn't for everyone. If we help those around us and they help those around them, then the world would be a wonderful, perfect place. Unfortunately "Pay it Forward" is just a movie and there's always gonna be some self-centered dolt who breaks the cycle. I think it's great what you do 420God. If people help out in their own way and use their strengths and talents in positive ways, the world would quickly become a pretty decent place to live. :bigjoint:
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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DirtPoor said:
Dude get over yourself, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong just as I did about rights in other countries. I know exactly what I'm talking about genius that's not what I asked you...I'm not sure how what you said goes with anything I was talking about.
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No, what you did was alter the wording then accuse me of making things up and making accusations. Just keep spinning it in your favour :D but don't try and put the blame on me after shooting yourself in the foot :lol:

I never said anything about how being an American gives you legal authority over another countries laws...that is called an assumption.
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I've quote your post 3 times now and you then stated that :lol: I then quite clearly proved you wrong with how you have rights but it's not legal, and yet you persist to try and pin this on me :lol:
 
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