DirtPoor
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This is ridiculous, I give valid answers expressing my opinions and you put up a picture? Your insulting my intelligence and not even putting up a valid argument, your stating random assumptions on little rabbit trails.
Why do American soldiers think...
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DirtPoor
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(Wikipedia: An enemy (or foe) is a relativistic term for an entity that is seen as forcefully adverse or threatening. The term is usually used within the greater context of war, to denote an opposing group as a threat.) So this would be a good definition for a terrorist...you know the people that train in the very countries that we are fighting in, for the very reason that we are fighting...my facts are right on point.
Padawanbater2
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Pretty clear you didn't read that little conversation I posted, go back and read it, decide for yourself whose on the "high horse" or whose the arrogant one. I was nothing but courteous to that guy, a little sarcastic at first, but he came back with total disrespect, so fuck him.
He thinks he's better than me for his service in the military.
Why would they be unemployed again?
I couldn't agree with you more. The guy did exactly what you just described to a tee, and THAT is what I was pointing out with the creation of this thread.The line that always irks me is when people tell me that i would change my opinion on whether it is right or wrong to illegally invade a country, kill off a huge bunch of civilians etc, "if i'd seen my mate get blown up"
I couldn't give a damn if i saw a "terrorist" blow my mate up, it does remove my sense of moral values. But it is always that once you've seen a friend shot, you'll change your story. Um no, i wontTo which it's always the "well you werent there, you havn't experienced it" etc.
I feel that soldiers seem to think that their experience can be used to invalidate my opinion.
So what then? The answer is to just live your life and let all this shit go on because the individual can't do a single thing about it?"If"!!!!!!!! If only pad, if only. We don't live in a perfect world. This is becoming my mantra here! lol! "If" only life were simpler. "If" only our politicians didn't lie to us. "If" only there weren't bad people in the world, bent on doing bad things to those they disagree with. You're never going to convince everybody that we are only fighting these wars for profit. Especially with images of jetliners crashing into skyscrapers which subsequently collapsed, being burnt into the minds of most Americans. The world is a big place and there are a lot of people in it Pad. It's simply not possible to enlighten everyone and make them see things YOUR way. People have differing views and you simply cannot change all of them. As hard as you are working to "educate" people, your opposition is working just as hard and has infinitely more money and resources than you and I. Plus, the majority of people trust the government.
I don't understand your thought process. It's like "well, nobody can do antything about it, you can't win, so why bother?".
Is that how you feel?
Padawanbater2
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Honest question; Why do you think there are terrorists who want to attack America?
tip top toker
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I think your intelligence should be held in question until you address the points i made on your rather alarming statements.
Serapis
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My step Dad was a DI at Paris Island until 2000, serving 26 years I think... I would hope that every mention of a US Service Member be capitalized out of respect if nothing else. This might make ya laugh, but I cap 'Sailor' too when referring to U.S. Naval personnel. 
new grower uk
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All you guys slating the soldiers are arseholes, while terrorists are fighting in the middle east its harder to fight in europe or america, not america so much but here in europe terrorists are a real threat, you all act like 9/11, the london bombings, the ones in spain, sweden and everywhere else around europe and asia didnt happen
tip top toker
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London bombings, lol, let's get even more controversial. The bombings are of no significance, it was who did them. And you're simply happy to believe the goverernments story? I mean just as an example, how would trhe floor of the train have been blown up from underneath if the bomb was supposedly above it? Or maybe how they caught a train to perform the bombing, that left before the train they were on had even arrived at the station due to a documented delay..
some people really are quite close minded.new grower uk
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Really? Or you just someone who love conspiracies
DirtPoor
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This is all I'm trying to say:Just because one was/is a soldier does not make one better then another. But if you feel that we are fighting for the wrong reasons, don't take that out on the soldier...take it out on the one that gives the orders and makes the decisions. Soldiers have a good first hand view of foreign policy because of the situations they are put in; studying foreign policy does give good insight but not first hand...that doesn't make it less credible though
Serapis
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You seem to have a conspiracy theory for every event in man's history.... Are you saying that the government killed it's own people and faked the cam records? What about the cell phones that were all linked back to one man, a terrorist sympathizer and control agent. It's easy to blow smoke and make claims that all of our governments are against us, but in my mind, that is just a lot of hot air....
London bombings, lol, let's get even more controversial. The bombings are of no significance, it was who did them. And you're simply happy to believe the goverernments story? I mean just as an example, how would trhe floor of the train have been blown up from underneath if the bomb was supposedly above it? Or maybe how they caught a train to perform the bombing, that left before the train they were on had even arrived at the station due to a documented delay..
new grower uk
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Anyway im wiping my hands of this conversation
tip top toker
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How are 2 events "every event in man's history". Not to mention they are both linked to the exact same HUGELY controverisal issue...
I'm not saying they killed their own people, i'm not saying they didn't
I'm saying that when you place a bomb above a piece of metal, it blows the metal down, not up, and in the same way when you put a bomb underneath a piece of metal, it blows it upwards, not down towards the blast, so i have to ask why the train floor was blown upwards if the bomb was above it..
420God
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A good portion of the soldiers serving now enlisted because of the economy, that's why, there was nothing else, no other jobs.
DirtPoor
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The whole thing about freely traveling in America...I have always been able to travel around, where did this even come from? The government hasn't stopped anyone from traveling, what are you even talking about? Some more random bullshit....Americans have a right to freely travel in any country they so wish? Maybe that's where y'all going wrong, last i checked being american wasn't legal authority over other countries legal systems
And as to soldiers in iraq protecting your right to freely travel in america, i don't quite follow, "terrorists" didn't remove your right to freely travel in the USA, your government did. So why the hell aren't the troops protecting your right to travel by attacking the people actually taking it away, your government, are are you suggesting that terrorists have somehow physically or legally stopped you from travelling, and as such need them all gone before you are able to travel again? No, your government stopped you
DirtPoor
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Ugh....read previous posts.
Serapis
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This is the third time? in 2-3 days I have seen you mentioning and supporting conspiracy to explain a terrorist event, and a natural disaster (HAARP) and possibly 9/11.... So you are an explosives expert now.... can you please explain how a shaped charge can pull debris one way while it's force is in the opposite direction? It is a conical or shaped charge.... I'm not an expert, but I know that much.
Everytime a disaster happens, even when we catch the suspects, theorists raise their heads and begin spreading stories they hope will catch fire...
Everytime a disaster happens, even when we catch the suspects, theorists raise their heads and begin spreading stories they hope will catch fire...
How are 2 events "every event in man's history". Not to mention they are both linked to the exact same HUGELY controverisal issue...
I'm not saying they killed their own people, i'm not saying they didn't
tip top toker
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If you'll notice i'm quoting you. Where you state that as an american you have the right to freely travel in any country you wish, and that this is what your soldiers are fighting to protect.
My point is how the fuck does being american give you legal authority over another countries laws, i.e if they do not want you to travel in your country, how the fuck would being american allow you to ignore them and continue to do so
And my other point was how in hell are they protecting your right to freedom to move in america? The only people who would take away this right, would be your government, so how in any way does the army protect your right to travel in the USA?
tip top toker
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I do not need to be an explosives expert
the explosives were not expert devises, they were bottles of bleach etc. I do not need to defend anything, the facts are plain and clear to see if you open your eyes when they're presented Not to mention the explosives experts were more than happy to do the work for me to show that there's no way in hell a bottle bomb as was described as used did what happened So would you catagorically state that no conspiracy theory has ever been found to be true? Either you do, or your last statemnt is bollocks and irrelevant as it holds no bearing into the actual truth of the "stories"
I'm no conspiracy theorist in the true sense, in that i am not turning and blaming anyone else, i simply cannot accept certain government stories when the facts cannot stand upto scientific scrutiny, such as the delay of the trains, or the way the floor was damaged. I certainly have a hard time believing a government or anyone would kill it's own people, but well, if Gadaffi and other such folk can kill their own countrymen to retain power and authority and control, i cannot therefore believe that there isn't anyone else that would stoop to that level, regardless of the apparent civilized nature fo the country.
Mike Young
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The hundred billion per year spent on the wars could certainly boost the economy & produce jobs for them.
Thanks to whoever posted than slayer a couple pages back. And somebody mentioned a slimmer military might be something to consider, I agree. I liken the US military to the following...
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10 miles to the gallon. 5000 lbs of get the hell out of my way! It was cool for awhile, but we gotta think sustainability.