BrotherBuz
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^^^ The childish one is back
Why Is The Bible So Revered As The "Word of GOD"?
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BrotherBuz
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Okay . . . I have no beef with that.
I was wrong about Isaiah's prophecy including dates - I was mistaken. However, you can't deny the rest of the details.
KlosetKing
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Unfortunately I can. I take those predictions no more seriously than i do Nostradamus or horoscopes. They are vague for a reason, and I will not accept them as fact. I welcome facts, but unfortunately everything im ever provided from the other side of the debate turns out the same way this did. A chance fit that 'could' be considered close, but it really isn't. It's like a fortune cookie.
deprave
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Regardless of religion or if you believe in god, the bible is important literature to study from even just a historians perspective, it is an important part of human culture, history, and more and I think its important that everyone read and study it, to have a closed mind and to shut it out and not read it is just immature and these close minded people have pretty much ruined this thread with their hate filled flaming. I appreciate all the informative and mature posters here.
Also to the evolution worshiper: while evolution is a valid scientific theory with good evidence it does not have the answer for everything and is not without its flaws and it does not disprove the existence of god - evolution is not the answer to life and neither is the bible - keep looking - keep an open mind - explore all possibilities.
I dont know the answers - I am not religious - I don't follow a book - but I keep an open mind and study hard to expand my knowledge. The Bible, its great literature, and its important. If you studied every book with the exception of the Bible you would still be missing out on quite a bit of wisdom and knowledge, your understanding of societies, cultures, and history would be in fact quite limited. (and vice versa)
Also to the evolution worshiper: while evolution is a valid scientific theory with good evidence it does not have the answer for everything and is not without its flaws and it does not disprove the existence of god - evolution is not the answer to life and neither is the bible - keep looking - keep an open mind - explore all possibilities.
I dont know the answers - I am not religious - I don't follow a book - but I keep an open mind and study hard to expand my knowledge. The Bible, its great literature, and its important. If you studied every book with the exception of the Bible you would still be missing out on quite a bit of wisdom and knowledge, your understanding of societies, cultures, and history would be in fact quite limited. (and vice versa)
Padawanbater2
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How is the "closed minded" position the one admitting 'I don't know' and the logical default "opened minded" one the one that claims absolute knowledge about our existence?
Explain that to me please.
Explain that to me please.
BrotherBuz
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Show me where I said that- go ahead!!
KlosetKing
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I tossed you a like, because I don't honestly think (or hope) that that was directed at me. I have read the bible, in fact more than once. I was also brought up christian, which i later denounced. I am far from close minded, just well educated. Ive done my best to keep my arguments and discussion positive and insightful, i apologize if i haven't succeeded (search for DelSlows psts in another thread here in this subforum for a reference of when i detach from such an attitude). I don't personally think i have said anything hate filled at all.
And again, i honestly hope you aren't referring to me worshiping evolution. Understand that there is a great difference between worshiping something, and understanding that its just the more logical explanation. I DO see the resemblance of us in monkeys as well as other creatures. The logic, and for the most part, fossil records, support the theory. There is not one logical theory i have heard that explained to me how god took adams rib and made a woman.
I beg, just one? I mean really, ANYTHING that sounds plausible will do. But it can't be done. Just like noah couldn't possibly put the millions of species of animals on a single boat. Jesus, who I openly accept was a real man, did not walk on water any more than Criss Angel did.
I am not so naive to ignore the benefits that the bible can have on man. Many people find great relief, comfort, and solice inside their faith, and if thats what their 'fix' is then by all means (too bad most of them dont think the same way). But to try to pass of anything in the bible as prophetic, or factual, would be a fallacy. There are far too many fairy tales inside to take the few things that seem legitimate at face value.
I want to re-iterate that again, i have read the bible. I personally am now agnostic, and actually embrace the idea of a higher power. In my opinion something had to get the ball rolling. The big bang was 'him' bouncing that ball. Math is 'his' language and tool, and the universe being 'his' sandbox. Remember, this is personal belief, and in no way is that supposed to be expressed as fact.
I am by no means being closed minded. But, if someone wants to point something out as fact, i want them to understand what the definition of fact is. Truth be told, there are very few of them in the bible. You cant just say things in a manner that sounds factual with no actual fact behind it. Remember Jon Kyl, who during a speech to congress said that 'well over 90%' of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions? If i remember right, turns out it was closer to 3%. His defense later, being 'it was not intended to be a factual statement'. Same idea applies here.When the uneducated, often very religious, extremists (from BOTH sides) realize that their opinion or ideals are not shared, or are being dissproved, they just get louder and angrier. They resort to childish name calling, and embellish their side to distort perception, and in some cases go as far as killing.
Im all for constructive discussion and debate. And i have happily and respectfully replied to all of the one post that i have gotten a response to. The bible is good literature, and its important to understand our history in order to move forward, its just part of the human condition. But again, its filled with hypocrisy, as so many people who put so much faith in it are truly afraid of the future, and cling for dear life to their outdated ideals and influence.
And again, i honestly hope you aren't referring to me worshiping evolution. Understand that there is a great difference between worshiping something, and understanding that its just the more logical explanation. I DO see the resemblance of us in monkeys as well as other creatures. The logic, and for the most part, fossil records, support the theory. There is not one logical theory i have heard that explained to me how god took adams rib and made a woman.
I beg, just one? I mean really, ANYTHING that sounds plausible will do. But it can't be done. Just like noah couldn't possibly put the millions of species of animals on a single boat. Jesus, who I openly accept was a real man, did not walk on water any more than Criss Angel did.
I am not so naive to ignore the benefits that the bible can have on man. Many people find great relief, comfort, and solice inside their faith, and if thats what their 'fix' is then by all means (too bad most of them dont think the same way). But to try to pass of anything in the bible as prophetic, or factual, would be a fallacy. There are far too many fairy tales inside to take the few things that seem legitimate at face value.
I want to re-iterate that again, i have read the bible. I personally am now agnostic, and actually embrace the idea of a higher power. In my opinion something had to get the ball rolling. The big bang was 'him' bouncing that ball. Math is 'his' language and tool, and the universe being 'his' sandbox. Remember, this is personal belief, and in no way is that supposed to be expressed as fact.
I am by no means being closed minded. But, if someone wants to point something out as fact, i want them to understand what the definition of fact is. Truth be told, there are very few of them in the bible. You cant just say things in a manner that sounds factual with no actual fact behind it. Remember Jon Kyl, who during a speech to congress said that 'well over 90%' of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions? If i remember right, turns out it was closer to 3%. His defense later, being 'it was not intended to be a factual statement'. Same idea applies here.When the uneducated, often very religious, extremists (from BOTH sides) realize that their opinion or ideals are not shared, or are being dissproved, they just get louder and angrier. They resort to childish name calling, and embellish their side to distort perception, and in some cases go as far as killing.
Im all for constructive discussion and debate. And i have happily and respectfully replied to all of the one post that i have gotten a response to. The bible is good literature, and its important to understand our history in order to move forward, its just part of the human condition. But again, its filled with hypocrisy, as so many people who put so much faith in it are truly afraid of the future, and cling for dear life to their outdated ideals and influence.
KlosetKing
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300 b.c. is not damn near, in fact, its not even close.What you have to do is use your intellect. For example, the Dead Sea scrolls were found in the 1940's, which chronicles many books of the bible. Some of these books date back to 300 B.C. That's damn now near the beginning of recorded human history and yet there were to discrepancies when compared with today’s Scriptures. Do you understand the implications of this?
deprave
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nicely put.
BrotherBuz
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Care to elaborate ?
KlosetKing
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Human history can be dated back tens of thousands, nay hundreds of thousands of years. Mankind existed long before they (we) developed the ability to write. Hence caveman drawings etc.... catch my drift?
And before the question comes, no. Man did not live with dinosaurs.
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Here is an article that describes teeth that were found that are believed to be about 400,000 years old. Granted this was just the first thing i pulled up, but there are plenty of others that date almost as old.
And before the question comes, no. Man did not live with dinosaurs.
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Here is an article that describes teeth that were found that are believed to be about 400,000 years old. Granted this was just the first thing i pulled up, but there are plenty of others that date almost as old.
BrotherBuz
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Isaiah 40:22 Some translations use the word circle or sphere. Just grab a few bibles and compare. I should you this before; I will not do your work for you.
KlosetKing
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Dodge much? The circle comes round again....
Your still focusing on generalities. They never said the earth was round, they made vague references to circles.
KlosetKing
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Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ends of all the earth.
There are more, if you would like, that plainly describe the end of the earth, JUST as vaguely as the ONE passage refers to a circle:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
So we have 10 verses that are all basically just as detailed as one another. Nine of them refer to the earth as being 2 dimensional in a way. One of them refers to a circle of no descriptive form. So you are using the minority vote of your book?
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ends of all the earth.
There are more, if you would like, that plainly describe the end of the earth, JUST as vaguely as the ONE passage refers to a circle:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
So we have 10 verses that are all basically just as detailed as one another. Nine of them refer to the earth as being 2 dimensional in a way. One of them refers to a circle of no descriptive form. So you are using the minority vote of your book?
KlosetKing
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So far sir, it seems im doing all the work. Your debating skills are lacking, and your are providing me with nothing but short snubs that seem almost directly intended in just trolling the thread, which i have now grown weary of.
It was fun while it lasted, and i hope a few people got a little insight as to how even their own words contradict themselves.
It was fun while it lasted, and i hope a few people got a little insight as to how even their own words contradict themselves.
budlover13
King Tut
I will put out there that I believe in a Creator. I call him God based on how I was raised. I love to debate and will take Devil's Advocate in the drop of a hat, but this is the ONE subject where I find it difficult to do because of the VAST amount of info and knowledge available and my finite ability to absorb it all only allow me to absorb so much. In the end, I know that when I die, I will be at peace with whatever happens. If it's all over, blackness, then my last thoughts will be of how pleased I am about the way I lived my life and treated others. If I meet God(which IS my personal aspiration and belief), then I hope to spark a fat one and answer a few questions. And if I'm WRONG, well, I like my chances.
mindphuk
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The one making the claim is the one that should be providing evidence. Telling someone to do research to confirm your claim is the height of arrogance or stupidity. Which one do you think you are?
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