Yet More Evidence the Feds are Creating a Fascist State

Doer

Doer

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ttystikk said:
Are you suggesting that our current state of affairs is anything less than an undeclared state of martial law? One in which our rights under the constitution are suspended due to a grave and imminent threat?

The only cowards worse than the bombers are the politicians who grabbed our civil liberties and snatched them away- because they don't trust us.
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I am suggesting that unlike in my day when the draft was in full swing, there is almost no blood on the streets, or in battle as a conscript from being pushed from behind by bayonets.

And as I told you before I appreciate you taking the watch. But, when it gets real, even I will be back out there. And may we not see those dangers, like Kent State again.

You don't have a draft number, but you still had to register. And it could get real again.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Doer said:
I am suggesting that unlike in my day when the draft was in full swing, there is almost no blood on the streets, or in battle as a conscript from being pushed from behind by bayonets.

And as I told you before I appreciate you taking the watch. But, when it gets real, even I will be back out there. And may we not see those dangers, like Kent State again.

You don't have a draft number, but you still had to register.
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Hmmmm... I prefer not to wait until the door is closed and it's too late.
 
Doer

Doer

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ttystikk said:
You seem very complacent.

They're your rights, too- clearly you think they'll hand them back and say sorry.

No.

History is clear on this point.
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Really, my friend, I am saying that my rights have not been eroded that I can tell.
I am serious about this. Go out and sit under a tree and realize that ALL media hypocritically mind messes us, to sell advertising. They need the situation to seem desperate, and even then fully 1/2 of the adults are on to their ruse. WE tune it out all together, 98% of the time. It is almost all lies and lies about lies.Political America is tiny and makes a lot of noise, since they can.

So, we are not desperate, the media is.
 
ginwilly

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Doer said:
Really, my friend, I am saying that my rights have not been eroded that I can tell.
I am serious about this. Go out and sit under a tree and realize the media hypcritically mind messes us, to sell advertising. They need it to seem desperate, and even then fully 1/2 are the adults are on to it. They tune it out all together.

So, we are not desperate, the media is.
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Doer, you've lost a little of your right to private conversations on the phone. You've lost the right to a search warrant if "we" deem "we" don't need one you terrorist you.

I don't know if those rights have ever or for how long ago they've been respected though.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Doer said:
Really, my friend, I am saying that my rights have not been eroded that I can tell.
I am serious about this. Go out and sit under a tree and realize the media hypcritically mind messes us, to sell advertising. They need it to seem desperate, and even then fully 1/2 are the adults are on to it. They tune it out all together.

So, we are not desperate, the media is.
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Then you're just lucky that the fascists haven't touched you or your circle. I haven't been so lucky.

Your argument is exactly the same as those who weren't persecuted under the Nazis... at first. "Oh, they haven't come for me, so I'll just be quiet while they trample the rights of someone else."

Shamefully obtuse doesn't begin to describe your stance.
 
Doer

Doer

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ttystikk said:
Then you're just lucky that the fascists haven't touched you or your circle. I haven't been so lucky.

Your argument is exactly the same as those who weren't persecuted under the Nazis... at first. "Oh, they haven't come for me, so I'll just be quiet while they trample the rights of someone else."

Shamefully obtuse doesn't begin to describe your stance.
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Say what? How so? And why describe my stance?
 
Doer

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ginwilly said:
Doer, you've lost a little of your right to private conversations on the phone. You've lost the right to a search warrant if "we" deem "we" don't need one you terrorist you.

I don't know if those rights have ever or for how long ago they've been respected though.
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That is not correct. My conversations are extremely boring in a National sense, private nattering. And what am I hiding? And I looked, Privacy is not a Constitutional Right. That's how WE allow meta-data collection, and all license plate tracking on InterStates, etc. Only in certain, specific circumstances is there even a presumption of privacy. Out on the road, or on the phone there is no such thing and never has been.

But, deem me? Lord have mercy, don't deem me, bro!

Can you give a few paragraphs on the good of the many and the good of a few?

OR

Can you name the Star Trek character AND in what setting, he said that?
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Doer said:
That is not correct. My conversations are extremely boring in a National sense, and what am I hiding.

And deem me? Lord have mercy, don't deem me, bro!

Can you give a few paragraphs on the good of the many and the good of a few?

OR

Can you name the Star Trek character AND in what setting, he said that?
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So now the argument is, 'it's okay, because I have nothing to hide.' Despicable.

Our rights- I'm fighting for yours, too- have been abridged by RICO, the 'Patriot' Act and many, many more pieces of blatantly unconstitutional legislation that Federal prosecutors use to bludgeon the innocent- and don't think you'll get a fair hearing in Federal court, either.

So far your arguments sound too much like apology for tyranny.

Benefit of the doubt; maybe you're just like the frog in the pot of water on the stove... your rights have been taken from you slowly enough that you don't notice them missing.
 
AlecTheGardener

AlecTheGardener

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Doer said:
That is not correct. My conversations are extremely boring in a National sense, and what am I hiding.

And deem me? Lord have mercy, don't deem me, bro!

Can you give a few paragraphs on the good of the many and the good of a few?

OR

Can you name the Star Trek character AND in what setting, he said that?
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If you grow or possess cannabis you are breaking federal law.

Just an FYI FRIEND.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
But, deem me? Lord have mercy, don't deem me, bro!

Can you give a few paragraphs on the good of the many and the good of a few?

OR

Can you name the Star Trek character AND in what setting, he said that?
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LOL no, I can't.

I could probably write a dissertation on why the greater good is a fallacy, but I don't think that's what you want and it would be really boring.
 
Doer

Doer

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ttystikk said:
So now the argument is, 'it's okay, because I have nothing to hide.' Despicable.

Our rights- I'm fighting for yours, too- have been abridged by RICO, the 'Patriot' Act and many, many more pieces of blatantly unconditional legislation that Federal prosecutors use to bludgeon the innocent- and don't think you'll get a fair hearing in Federal court, either.

So far your arguments sound too much like apology for tyranny.

Benefit of the doubt; maybe you're just like the frog in the pot of water on the stove... your rights have been taken from you slowly enough that you don't notice them missing.
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I'm just discussing it calmly, not taking any side really. More like exploring a delicious morsel, or sometimes like chewing a bug, but I digress. It
 
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Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
LOL no, I can't.

I could probably write a dissertation on why the greater good is a fallacy, but I don't think that's what you want and it would be really boring.
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OK, It was Spock who said that, locked inside a runnaway reactor area. It killed him, of course.

Oh! How many times has Spock come back from the dead?
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
OK, It was Spock who said that, locked inside a runnaway reactor area. It killed him, of course.

Oh! How many times has Spock come back from the dead?
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And how many life lessons can we learn from the Vulcan? Truly one of the great all time characters and I'm not even a Trekkie.
 
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