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Doer

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Nothing matters except lying.

If a lie is established the instruction is that the jury may discard and ignore all utterances from the defendant...not just on that subject or point. All of it.

If the story of self defense comes into reasonable doubt because of Zim lying about ANYTHING....the house numbers...on or off the concrete.... he was lost/ him chasing and stalking him....the stuff about going for a flashlight was already confronted....he may go down on petty lies.

And as a trial buff, I can say I see a serious tap dance here. It began.....when? When did Zim go off the rails, or did he?

My friend, if he is lying about anything the jury can and often will cook the defendant. If they find the Prosecutor is lying they will cook him. Justice is in the hands of the Jury.
 
MuyLocoNC

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Chalk one up for the prosecution, maybe. Expert testified that Z's injuries were not significant or life threatening, which supports UB's assertion.

My only question is, are they actually arguing that you need to wait until AFTER a life-threatening injury is inflicted to resort to deadly force in self defense? Even if they weren't life-threatening, they probably hurt when inflicted. Pain causes fear, fear of continuing injury or death, that's innate in just about every creature roaming the earth. If it's not reasonable to fear for your life when you are being injured and subjected to pain, when is it reasonable?

Maybe they can get him on a lesser charge, but an acquittal or hung jury is certainly looking like a distinct possibility. At least, according to the panel of libs on MSNBC (sorry, couldn't resist).
 
desert dude

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MuyLocoNC said:
Chalk one up for the prosecution, maybe. Expert testified that Z's injuries were not significant or life threatening, which supports UB's assertion.

My only question is, are they actually arguing that you need to wait until AFTER a life-threatening injury is inflicted to resort to deadly force in self defense? Even if they weren't life-threatening, they probably hurt when inflicted. Pain causes fear, fear of continuing injury or death, that's innate in just about every creature roaming the earth. If it's not reasonable to fear for your life when you are being injured and subjected to pain, when is it reasonable?

Maybe they can get him on a lesser charge, but an acquittal or hung jury is certainly looking like a distinct possibility. At least, according to the panel of libs on MSNBC (sorry, couldn't resist).
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Yeah, I saw that too. The doctor who testified about it did so from looking at photographs of Z's injuries, she did not examine him. The doctor was also appointed by Angela Corey. She is a hack, but I don't know if the jury will know about her appointment by Corey. The defense also got the doctor to agree that the injuries might have been caused by having one's head banged against the sidewalk.

Doer is right that a single lie is reason enough to discount everything said by a witness. Confusion or inconsistencies about small details is not the same thing as a lie though. The only admitted lies so far have come from Ms. Jeantel, but I will agree with Buck that lying about being in the hospital to avoid going to the funeral seems excusable, at least to me.

The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Z murdered TM. They have not done that.

I am still predicting a hung jury, and that is based solely on the intractability of various commentators here at RIU and elsewhere. The "explanations" of the incident concocted out of thin air are a constant source of amazement and amusement for me.
 
Doer

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No, that doesn't matter. Injuries are not even necessary. It is "fear of immediate, bodily injury." Very subjective. I am pretty sure FL doesn't have the measured response doctrine.

So, Zim is on fine ground if he DOES NOT LIE. Yet they played a TV interview yesterday, where he said he didn't know about Stand your Ground. Bullshit. And that is now evidence. So, there is a nice little pile and pattern of "white lies" that amount to consciousness of guilt perhaps in the mind of the Jury.
 
desert dude

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Doer said:
No, that doesn't matter. Injuries are not even necessary. It is "fear of immediate, bodily injury." Very subjective. I am pretty sure FL doesn't have the measured response doctrine.

So, Zim is on fine ground if he DOES NOT LIE. Yet they played a TV interview yesterday, where he said he didn't know about Stand your Ground. Bullshit. And that is now evidence. So, there is a nice little pile and pattern of "white lies" that amount to consciousness of guilt perhaps in the mind of the Jury.
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Except that SYG is not a part of this case. Z's defense is simple self defense, not SYG.
 
MuyLocoNC

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Doer said:
Nothing matters except lying.

If a lie is established the instruction is that the jury may discard and ignore all utterances from the defendant...not just on that subject or point. All of it.

If the story of self defense comes into reasonable doubt because of Zim lying about ANYTHING....the house numbers...on or off the concrete.... he was lost/ him chasing and stalking him....the stuff about going for a flashlight was already confronted....he may go down on petty lies.

And as a trial buff, I can say I see a serious tap dance here. It began.....when? When did Zim go off the rails, or did he?

My friend, if he is lying about anything the jury can and often will cook the defendant. If they find the Prosecutor is lying they will cook him. Justice is in the hands of the Jury.
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I couldn't disagree more. If they throw out his entire testimony, the prosecution still has to PROVE their theory. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, not automatically guilty of murder 2 because we don't like inconsistencies that don't even negate whether or not Trayvon attacked Z. If they can't prove Zimmerman attacked first or eliminate the possibility that Trayvon attacked first, then there is reasonable doubt.

We KNOW T was straddling Z and beating him, we KNOW Z was under T when he fired, we KNOW Z was injured and was most likely feeling pain from those injuries, now go ahead and PROVE he didn't fear for his life under those circumstances. That's been my whole problem with this all along, they have to prove at the exact moment of the gunshot, that he didn't fear for his life. That's a tall order. Maybe a sympathetic jury hands down Manslaughter, anything is possible.
 
jimmer6577

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I really want to know what somebody else asked. How the heck did GZ chase down TM. And I keep hearing that his injuries are not life threatening. If he waited till his head injury was life threatening wouldn't he most likely been knocked out first there fore not able to defend himself. IMO most survivors in a self defense situation wouldn't have a life threatening injuries because you would protect your self before it's to late and you ended up with a life threatening case. I also think this is funny listening to the media spin every little thing to what they want you to hear. I swear they are grasping at air to keep GZ sounding guilty and the African Americans on all these news programs are ridiculous with there crying racism and just crying like big babies. The only true racism shown to me so far is with TM and his Friend calling white people crackers. But they claim that's just their culture. I've said it before and will say it again Every time a black person uses cracker they mean it very offensive to white people. I've been in prison, jail, south, north, even had 3 black stepbrothers for 5 years. For all purpose we are not in court so lets keep it real TM is far from the innocent little kid the media and African Americans are portraying him to be.
 
Doer

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MuyLocoNC said:
I couldn't disagree more. If they throw out his entire testimony, the prosecution still has to PROVE their theory. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, not automatically guilty of murder 2 because we don't like inconsistencies that don't even negate whether or not Trayvon attacked Z. If they can't prove Zimmerman attacked first or eliminate the possibility that Trayvon attacked first, then there is reasonable doubt.

We KNOW T was straddling Z and beating him, we KNOW Z was under T when he fired, we KNOW Z was injured and was most likely feeling pain from those injuries, now go ahead and PROVE he didn't fear for his life under those circumstances. That's been my whole problem with this all along, they have to prove at the exact moment of the gunshot, that he didn't fear for his life. That's a tall order. Maybe a sympathetic jury hands down Manslaughter, anything is possible.
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Are, you know, mistaking me again for someone who care if you agree with my facts. :)

Those were not opinions of mine. I'm telling you what can happen.
 
SirGreenThumb

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Check out where the prosecution is getting fucked with trying to use skype. :lol:

Serves them and the judge right for entering this bullshit into evidence. If they should be allowed to use this, then the defense should be allowed to bring up TM's school records and cellphone texts and other things to show his character.
[video=youtube;QOy5RqOTBDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOy5RqOTBDE[/video]
 
SirGreenThumb

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This is not my comment, but it explains everything.

I know exactly what happened that night because I have been paying attention to the liberal media!

9-year old Trayvon Martin was on his way home from choir practice and delivering hot meals to the elderly.

He stopped to hold umbrellas for a Girl Scout Troop which was raising money for quadriplegic AIDS victims in Africa. After he helped the Girl Scouts, he then delivered 10 Golden Retriever puppies which were breach birth.

That's when George Zimmerman pulled up in his Hummer, on his way home from a White Hispanic KKK meeting. High on meth and shouting racist slogans, GZ saw TM and opened up with his twin roof-mounted 50 caliber machine guns.

TM saved all the Girl Scouts and then went back to save the Golden Retriever puppies.

GZ ran out of ammunition so he unholstered two Desert Eagle .44 magnum pistols and started firing at the puppies and TM.

That's when TM was hit in the back by 32 rounds of hollow-point, teflon-coated & explosive ammunition.

GZ then called his cop buddies who were at the KKK rally. They cleaned up the site and made the Girl Scouts and Golden Retrievers "disappear" in the Everglades so there would be no witnesses. They washed the blood from GZ's fangs after he gnawed on TM's still beating heart.

It must be true! Justice for Trayvon (and his mother's merchandising rights)!

Oh yes, GZ is the current world champion for ALL schools of martial art and had just escaped from a mental institution for the criminally insane. A few years earlier, he was indicted for murder eight times but got off only because his father was a Supreme Court Justice.
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SirGreenThumb

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Exaggeration that makes a legitimate point.
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Yea, it shows exactly what sort of mentality is going into people supporting TM, all while ignoring the fact of what sort of person the dude truly was simply because it's not being allowed by the biased judge. That bitch needs to be disbarred and banned from every practicing law ever again.
 
Doer

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Ridiculous sophistry that makes no sense, at all. And you say it is not your opinion, but you post it.

Folks can only oppose ideas with dripping sarcasm these days? That is sad.
 
Impman

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This is has been the worse day for the defense. George lied in that TV interview when asked if he had ever heard about 'stand your ground law'.... But I know it will not be significant to the jury.

SirGreenthumb is so right about the judge. You an see her body language and lopsided rulings she is completely biased for the prosecution
 
Impman

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Doer said:
Ridiculous sophistry that makes no sense, at all. And you say it is not your opinion, but you post it.

Folks can only oppose ideas with dripping sarcasm these days? That is sad.
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Sad? are you sad doer? get off the internet then you weeny
 
Doer

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SirGreenThumb said:
Yea, it shows exactly what sort of mentality is going into people supporting TM, all while ignoring the fact of what sort of person the dude truly was simply because it's not being allowed by the biased judge. That bitch needs to be disbarred and banned from every practicing law ever again.
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Arm chair quarterback. Have you ever watched an entire proceeding? I have. Many times, plus my own, of course.

So, this is Law, it is why we have Law. It is because the Counties run themselves. Self rule and a jury verdict. The Law.

So, an amateur is allowed in our system to watch and make public comments. Really only in the USA is this so, to this degree.

Self rule requires we know.
 
Impman

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desert dude said:
Yeah, I saw that too. The doctor who testified about it did so from looking at photographs of Z's injuries, she did not examine him. The doctor was also appointed by Angela Corey. She is a hack, but I don't know if the jury will know about her appointment by Corey. The defense also got the doctor to agree that the injuries might have been caused by having one's head banged against the sidewalk.

Doer is right that a single lie is reason enough to discount everything said by a witness. Confusion or inconsistencies about small details is not the same thing as a lie though. The only admitted lies so far have come from Ms. Jeantel, but I will agree with Buck that lying about being in the hospital to avoid going to the funeral seems excusable, at least to me.

The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Z murdered TM. They have not done that.

I am still predicting a hung jury, and that is based solely on the intractability of various commentators here at RIU and elsewhere. The "explanations" of the incident concocted out of thin air are a constant source of amazement and amusement for me.
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The medial examiner completely sank the Prosecutions weak case. That was it. After she goes up and lies to the jury and everyone else on Earth that, what CLEARLY IS A BRUISE AND SWELLING, she sees nothing. She left the court room crying BTW, she knows she is a biased liar. The medical examiner knows she has no integrity.
 
SirGreenThumb

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Doer said:
Ridiculous sophistry that makes no sense, at all. And you say it is not your opinion, but you post it.

Folks can only oppose ideas with dripping sarcasm these days? That is sad.
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Hope this wasn't aimed at me, because I posted something saying it wasn't my "comment" and then my next post to DD it specifically says that it shows the exact mentality of the people supporting TM. So yea. Not sure if it was or not, but if it was you should consider redacting. :wink: :lol:
 
Impman

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Doer said:
Arm chair quarterback. Have you ever watched an entire proceeding? I have. Many times, plus my own, of course.

So, this is Law, it is why we have Law. It is because the Counties run themselves. Self rule and a jury verdict. The Law.

So, an amateur is allowed in our system to watch and make public comments. Really only in the USA is this so, to this degree.

Self rule requires we know.
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This will give you every day of trial . NO commercials , no bleeps. uncensored and every detail
 
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