Yet More Evidence the Feds are Creating a Fascist State

[budlover13]

You don't understand why someone would want to loot?

What's difficult to understand?

No, the looting I understand. The destruction i don't.

 

[budlover13]

If you start out on third base and never swung a bat, how can you try to understand how people can strike out?

Lol....

 

[edispilf]

If you start out on third base and never swung a bat, how can you try to understand how people can strike out?

Bu$hleager - Pearl Jam
"A confidence man, but why so beleaguered?
He's not a leader, he's a Texas leaguer
Swinging for the fence, got lucky with a strike
Drilling for fear, makes the job simple
Born on third, thinks he got a triple"

 

[edispilf]

 

[King Arthur]

This has been known for a long time, a CHP officer actually quit his job and exposed this more than 3 years ago. The thing is, they are tracking us at all times. Cameras on every phone, computer and tablet even the new televisions are equipped and ready to "skype" aka someone to turn it on while we don't know that they are spying on us.

The map app marks you at every destination you have ever taken your phone. On a large scale most people don't need to worry but we already know they take in as many people as they can get.

 

[Doer]

Yet another scandal from yet another explosive response to FOIA requests;

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/27/license-plates-spying.html

The very idea that Americans need a Freedom of Information Act to protect themselves from constant government abuse of our civil rights is an inverted system; why aren't Federal officials fired and INDICTED for the violation of citizen's rights?!

This latest example is a national database to be used as pretext to stop and search anyone who fits an invisible and unconstitutional profile; text follows.

The thing is, this is adversarial from top to bottom. And I think you have it backwards. Only in America can have a FOIA.

The thing is, the 9th Amendment protects the govts, right to try things that are not illegal, just as it protects citizens.

 

[Doer]

First, what I'm doing right now- educating my fellow citizens as to the scope of the problem.

Second, a letter writing campaign to our representatives.

Third, an alternative agenda, to include planks addressing taxation inequality, how funds are used, corporate taxation, corporate personhood and civil rights affirmation issues.

Repeal RICO because it's unconstitutional, and the Patriot Act because it's fascist.

Repeal the unlimited amount of dollars going into the political system in favor of a tiny amount accessible to nearly any citizen.

The list is long, but it points to taking the country back from the lobbyists, the back room dealers, the old boy networks and just plain corrupt.

Limit the ability of the Federal gov't to run roughshod over citizen's civil rights as set down in The Bill of Rights.

We need REAL democracy. This country is so far too the right that the only place left to go further is into dictatorship. And yes, I am worried about that.

No. This is a Federated, tri-carmeral Union of Sovereign States. It never was a democracy. It was designed to protect us from the shrill that want constant change. It is designed specifically to NOT be a Federal Democracy. That is just crazy press talk and a lack of basic US civics.

 

[ttystikk]

No. This is a Federated, tri-carmeral Union of Sovereign States. It never was a democracy. It was designed to protect us from the shrill that want constant change. It is designed specifically to NOT be a Federal Democracy. That is just crazy press talk and a lack of basic US civics.

So instead we've handed the whole governance thing to the plutocrats?

Sorry, this isn't working, either.

 

[King Arthur]

So instead we've handed the whole governance thing to the plutocrats?

Sorry, this isn't working, either.

It is too late to stop it, we had a chance to rise up between the 50's to now but the playing field is way skewed now. You try to be the opposition and you are going to get eliminated with ease. There is no peaceful way to make them change their ways and turning to violence is what I feel they want us to do so they can feel justified in shooting everyone dead who opposes them.

We had a chance before they stocked up on military vehicles and armor piercing rounds. Before license plate tracking and cell phone gps showing them your every move.

It would be like playing checkers against someone with chess pieces.

 

[Doer]

So instead we've handed the whole governance thing to the plutocrats?

Sorry, this isn't working, either.

plutocrats? I think you need to deep dive into the civics again. I know I did.

The way It works at the Federal level is because the States want it to work that that way. That's all. Check the history. Check the documents. For Example: when the States, like the big 4 wanted pot illegal Federally, it was. Really there is no such thing as "Federal Law" actually a better term for Today, Inter-State Law.

There is only a Federation of States. Only the States elect the President. The States have their own branch of Congress, the Senate. That is balanced by the Congressional Districts that do not choose the President. And it is balanced by the Judicial that sometimes has to say when the Vote is over, so the Electoral College of State Reps may choose the President.

The only power the President has over individuals, officially, is Pardon. The States have the Fed as their Godfather, to negotiate Peace between the States, protect their shores, etc. The rest is all made up by the Press, like plutocrats and democracy.

Each State, after all is a mirror of this with the Players being the Counties, not the Cities, which come and go. At the county level there is more democracy and more corruption than anywhere else, on purpose. Usually a few families run a county.

And where do you think the model of the Federal system came from? The States. especially New Hampshire. The Fed did not make the States, quite the opposite.

 

[Doer]

It is too late to stop it, we had a chance to rise up between the 50's to now but the playing field is way skewed now. You try to be the opposition and you are going to get eliminated with ease. There is no peaceful way to make them change their ways and turning to violence is what I feel they want us to do so they can feel justified in shooting everyone dead who opposes them.

We had a chance before they stocked up on military vehicles and armor piercing rounds. Before license plate tracking and cell phone gps showing them your every move.

It would be like playing checkers against someone with chess pieces.

Are you blocked from your Freedoms, or you just think they are being threatened.
How about this. We take ourselves back to the 50s when we didn't have the TV blaring nonsense for $$$.

Solution. Tune out of "opinions." Let the system work, behind the scenes, as it did in the 50s.
There is really nothing at all wrong in my opinion. Obama has pushed oil below $45. Russian can have Crimea, since it is their's after all. But, with oil this low, he can't re-arm. Think the next war not the the last.

Obama is leading a Reformation of Islam without doing very much at all, but Internationalizing the Sunni schism, that everyone is waiting for, but the horror boys are against. And we say to the world these are ours, no matter what their religion, we protect them.

Really sit back and realize, what happens in the Mideast is gonna stay there. It is a turning point.@Hookabelly knows that when the Reformation began with the Church of Rome is was quite un-pleasant for both sides. But, we have sniffer robots, DNA targeted bombs, and more.

You noticed, no one said a Word? But, ISIS lost their high water mark. So, who is the hero of Kobani? Some Kurdish sniper that held out for days. But, who rained the 1000s of tons of exploding iron, day and night, so she could hold out? Thanks Obama, but the Press moves on.

So, I fought the DEMs in the Street during the Cambodian Bombing riots. That's what changes things. Put, some blood out there, like Kent State, and it happens. Civil Rights. Slaves Freed. Come on, this is the only system capable of such vast change. And vast change comes from within.

Have some pride.

 

[King Arthur]

Hmm

I don't think you got the point, flew right over your head that they are tracking your every movement. Through cell phones, license plates, credit card purchases, video camera on your computer, phone, television.

Impossible is something I don't believe, but improbable is exactly how I feel. I don't see anyone willing to take down plutocracy.

 

[Doer]

I don't think you got the point, flew right over your head that they are tracking your every movement. Through cell phones, license plates, credit card purchases, video camera on your computer, phone, television.

Impossible is something I don't believe, but improbable is exactly how I feel. I don't see anyone willing to take down plutocracy.

What? Did you just wake up yesterday?

There is no privacy, yet the vastness of the data sets means there is no real intrusion either.
Metadata remember? For Law Enforcement. My iPhone knows exactly where it is. I want that.

There is no them. It is all us.

 

[King Arthur]

What? Did you just wake up yesterday?

There is no privacy, yet the vastness of the data sets means there is no real intrusion either.
Metadata remember? For Law Enforcement. My iPhone knows exactly where it is. I want that.

There is no them. It is all us.

You need to lay off the meth pipe dude, there is a clear division in this world. Those that impact policy on a daily basis and the rest of us who live in their created fantasy land.

 

[Hookabelly]

@Hookabelly knows that when the Reformation began with the Church of Rome is was quite un-pleasant for both sides.

*jingles in*… Did someone call?

 

[ttystikk]

It is too late to stop it, we had a chance to rise up between the 50's to now but the playing field is way skewed now. You try to be the opposition and you are going to get eliminated with ease. There is no peaceful way to make them change their ways and turning to violence is what I feel they want us to do so they can feel justified in shooting everyone dead who opposes them.

We had a chance before they stocked up on military vehicles and armor piercing rounds. Before license plate tracking and cell phone gps showing them your every move.

It would be like playing checkers against someone with chess pieces.

We have 99% of the population. They can't buck those odds for long and they know it; hence the strategy to divide us into Republicrats and Demoblicans... and conquer.

Stop playing THEIR game and very quickly the pieces become meaningless.

 

[ttystikk]

plutocrats? I think you need to deep dive into the civics again. I know I did.

The way It works at the Federal level is because the States want it to work that that way. That's all. Check the history. Check the documents. For Example: when the States, like the big 4 wanted pot illegal Federally, it was. Really there is no such thing as "Federal Law" actually a better term for Today, Inter-State Law.

There is only a Federation of States. Only the States elect the President. The States have their own branch of Congress, the Senate. That is balanced by the Congressional Districts that do not choose the President. And it is balanced by the Judicial that sometimes has to say when the Vote is over, so the Electoral College of State Reps may choose the President.

The only power the President has over individuals, officially, is Pardon. The States have the Fed as their Godfather, to negotiate Peace between the States, protect their shores, etc. The rest is all made up by the Press, like plutocrats and democracy.

Each State, after all is a mirror of this with the Players being the Counties, not the Cities, which come and go. At the county level there is more democracy and more corruption than anywhere else, on purpose. Usually a few families run a county.

And where do you think the model of the Federal system came from? The States. especially New Hampshire. The Fed did not make the States, quite the opposite.

This is a very cute civics lesson- that has been completely subverted. Therefore it's at best quaint- as in out of date- and at worst a delusion.

No one can convince me the one percenters aren't running our country... straight into the ground. There's too much evidence to ignore anymore.

Example; where in your civics lesson did you account for unlimited campaign donations? Franking privileges? Citizens United?

 

[Padawanbater2]

This is a very cute civics lesson- that has been completely subverted. Therefore it's at best quaint- as in out of date- and at worst a delusion.

No one can convince me the one percenters aren't running our country... straight into the ground. There's too much evidence to ignore anymore.

Example; where in your civics lesson did you account for unlimited campaign donations? Franking privileges? Citizens United?

In the depths of it, they actually think Citizens United is about free speech and not campaign finance..

These people can't be reached, they will need to die off for progress to be had

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

In the depths of it, they actually think Citizens United is about free speech and not campaign finance..

These people can't be reached, they will need to die off for progress to be had

Here is what it's about according to Wikipedia:

The Supreme Court held in Citizens United that it was unconstitutional to ban free speech through the limitation of independent communications by corporations, associations, and unions,[21] i.e. that corporations and labor unions may spend their own money to support or oppose political candidates through independent communications like television advertisements.[22][23] This ruling was frequently characterized as permitting corporations and unions to donate to political campaigns,[24] or as removing limits on how much a donor can contribute to a campaign.[25] However, these claims are incorrect, as the ruling did not affect the 1907 Tillman Act's ban on corporate campaign donations (as the Court noted explicitly in its decision[26]), nor the prohibition on foreign corporate donations to American campaigns,[27] nor did it concern campaign contribution limits.[28] The Citizens United decision did not disturb prohibitions on corporate contributions to candidates, and it did not address whether the government could regulate contributions to groups that make independent expenditures.[22]The Citizens United ruling did however remove the previous ban on corporations and organizations using their treasury funds for direct advocacy. These groups were freed to expressly endorse or call to vote for or against specific candidates, actions that were previously prohibited.[29] The ruling is also often incorrectly characterized as creating the idea that corporations may exercise speech rights, and that "corporations are people." Both notions are also incorrect. The Supreme Court has recognized that corporations, as associations of people, may exercise many of the rights of natural persons at least since Dartmouth College v. Woodward in 1819, and has recognized that corporations are protected under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment since Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railway was decided in 1886. First Amendment protection for corporate speech has also been recognized since at least Valentine v. Christenson (1942), and in the realm of campaign finance since at least First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti (1978 ). The question in Citizens United was simply whether the First Amendment protected the rights of corporations to engage in a particular form of corporate speech.

When it boils right down to it, it's all about free speech.


Edit: formatting

 

[Doer]

You need to lay off the meth pipe dude, there is a clear division in this world. Those that impact policy on a daily basis and the rest of us who live in their created fantasy land.

And those that don't think like you are burned out on meth?

You are talking cult talk.