Lockdowns don't work.

[abandonconflict]

The virus can be aerosolised, every Tuesday Brits up and down the country are clapping for key workers, standing on their front door steps. Most live in terraced housing or apartments. They are separated by a few metres. A sneeze can carry a droplet 27 feet, presumably the wind can carry it further. Maybe lockdown is increasing infection rates?

That's not impossible and should be very seriously considered. Another thing I mentioned that got buried by someone's shit posting was that the shuttering of businesses made it to where everyone had fewer options in regard to where to get groceries and supplies. so more people in a larger area had to go to these few places to get supplies and these sorts of hubs, like Costco or Walmart, very likely became superspreading sites.

You walk a kilometer to get groceries and by the time you leave, you're absolutely focused on not touching your face and on how to avoid cross contaminating your items with stuff in your residence. Do you close the door with your hands? then wash your hands, then take your mask off, then take a shower, then put your clothes in the machine, then wash the hands again, then tediously disinfect every single item with chlorine water and a sponge?

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

The virus can be aerosolised, every Tuesday Brits up and down the country are clapping for key workers, standing on their front door steps. Most live in terraced housing or apartments. They are separated by a few metres. A sneeze can carry a droplet 27 feet, presumably the wind can carry it further. Maybe lockdown is increasing infection rates?

Do you What kind of aerosol they use? Jeez that carry’s far. I was wondering about the winds . I think people should be told to stop talking when they pass someone else , even it it’s 6 feet away. They think 6 feet without a mask is ok.

 

[abandonconflict]

Do you What kind of aerosol they use? Jeez that carry’s far. I was wondering about the winds . I think people should be told to stop talking when they pass someone else , even it it’s 6 feet away.

This is the reason why masks in public are essential. Every single person outside has to act as though they are infected and protect others from themselves. The mask is not to protect you, it's for you to wear so you don't spray fomites. Just because I question the lockdowns, doesn't mean I haven't been wearing a mask for months.

 

[abandonconflict]

@Dr.Amber Trichome
What @zeddd meant by aerosolization was that droplets of mucous membranes expelled from coughing or even just breathing and talking are carried into the air. They begin to evaporate and become lighter than the aurrounding air and carry much further. It's not proven that coronavirus aerosolizes. It is proven that the droplets do carry the virus and can certainly become fomites. These fomites can then land on surfaces and persist. On plastics and steel they can live for up to two days and up to a day on cardboards and fabric.

*edit* just because it isn't proven that aerosolization is a factor in the spread of coronavirus, does not mean it isn't.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

This is the reason why masks in public are essential. Every single person outside has to act as though they are infected and protect others from themselves. The mask is not to protect you, it's for you to wear so you don't spray fomites. Just because I question the lockdowns, doesn't mean I haven't been wearing a mask for months.

I know. To me it always seemed the most logical simple thing. Everyone just wear a mask. I use a shit load of gloves at work and I feel guilty about the waste. Do you think it ok to wear my latex gloves and then use the hand sanitizer on them instead of taking them off and throwing them out and then sanitizing or washing my hands. My hands have taken a beating and looks like shit.

 

[abandonconflict]

I know. To me it always seemed the most logical simple thing. Everyone just wear a mask. I use a shit load of gloves at work and I feel guilty about the waste. Do you think it ok to wear my latex gloves and then use the hand sanitizer on them instead of taking them off and throwing them out and then sanitizing or washing my hands. My hands have taken a beating and looks like shit.

I don't think the gloves really matter much in regard to coronavirus but if you wear them at work then you should continue to do so. You should absolutely continue to disinfect your hands often, gloves or not. Wash your hands very often, that is paramount.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I don't think the gloves really matter much in regard to coronavirus but if you wear them at work then you should continue to do so. You should absolutely continue to disinfect your hands often, gloves or not. Wash your hands very often, that is paramount.

Ok,
I will.
do you have any suggestion for a hand moisturizer?

 

[abandonconflict]

Ok,
I will.
do you have any suggestion for a hand moisturizer?

wash em again

 

[rkymtnman]

Ok,
I will.
do you have any suggestion for a hand moisturizer?

KY Jelly. your hubby will be thanking me later when you "rub" off the excess on him. lol

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

KY Jelly. your hubby will be thanking me later when you "rub" off the excess on him. lol

Sound good! He will like that idea.

 

[rkymtnman]

Sound good! He will like that idea.

tell him he owes me a beer! lol.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Yeah, gets too confusing. Gloves on gloves off. Thanks I appreciate the advice! Take care

 

[potroastV2]

I'm talking about Italy too. After the complete lockdown, with enforcing goons and checkpoints and checking of quaraantine passes and mayors shouting at park goers, even with that, numbers skyrocketted. I'm not making it up, you can easily google when it started. Same in NYC, it's been a ghost town since early March. See the graphs on worldmeters.com. The lockdowns did nothing. The people who were most susceptible to infection still made contact with fomites. The lockdowns did not flatten the curve. The average incubation period is 8 days. Look at the last month in New York since it's been a ghost town. If it was going to flatten the curve it would have sooner. No flat curve, just a vertical climb. Even if we're at the apex, it doesn't mean the lockdown helped. It just means that those most susceptible to infection got infected.

What I say: Anyone who tries to identify a "flattening curve" from day-to-day observations ...

does not understand how to analyze curves!

 

[rkymtnman]

Just because I question the lockdowns, doesn't mean I haven't been wearing a mask for months.

i don't see how you can say they aren't working when you can't really compare one city under lockdown to another city without lockdowns here in America. just because it isn't flattening the curve in NYC, would having no lockdowns in NYC improved or worsened the situation? comparing country vs country is unrealistic where so many variable are different. this question won't be able to be answered for months possilby years i feel.

 

[hanimmal]

That's not impossible and should be very seriously considered. Another thing I mentioned that got buried by someone's shit posting was that the shuttering of businesses made it to where everyone had fewer options in regard to where to get groceries and supplies. so more people in a larger area had to go to these few places to get supplies and these sorts of hubs, like Costco or Walmart, very likely became superspreading sites.

You walk a kilometer to get groceries and by the time you leave, you're absolutely focused on not touching your face and on how to avoid cross contaminating your items with stuff in your residence. Do you close the door with your hands? then wash your hands, then take your mask off, then take a shower, then put your clothes in the machine, then wash the hands again, then tediously disinfect every single item with chlorine water and a sponge?

That is kind of how we have our home set up now. Wife goes to work at a hospital, as soon as she gets in she is given gloves/masks. Then when she comes home, so stops in the laundry room, puts her cloths right into the washer, sprays down her bag/keys/phone and comes into the house. I hadn't thought about the wiping down/shower parts but I think we mess up enough the few times we have gotten groceries that we were never going to be a clean house (lol funny because it is not clean at all w 4 dogs), clean but very little can get through.


I really think the way we shop is going to be the first thing we should be thinking about changing. The days of it being cheap to have tons of sales/stock people facing the public is now coming to be a liability. They will have to greatly increase the pay of these jobs because it has turned out to be a deadly career.

Edit (I didn't see your question back earlier):

Look, those are great ideas, obviously testing and tracing from the start would have been the right strategy. Instead, we listened to Trump, and then blamed Trump for his malfeasance. We can still do those things while it's still 0.15% of the population infected. Lockdowns clearly don't work.

What I'm saying here though, we really need to question this lockdown. It's really going to flatten the wrong curve (economic), cause it's apparently not flattening the curve it was meant to (infections).

Im not sure if we know enough about when we started having states shut down that it wasn't too little too late, last I checked we didn't even have 1% of the population checked.

But it does suck the big one economically.

 

[Fogdog]

Good luck waiting out for that vaccine. Sars1 was 17 years ago and still no vaccine as the developmental Vaxs caused pulmonary immunopathology. The time frame of a year is absurd

That's not talked about much, is it? I heard one medical expert say that -- once -- earlier on and since then, nada. The whole process of developing a vaccine, as I understand it, needs to be developed and not just "make a vaccine". Mice for testing, cultivating the virus, understanding side-effects and risks, screening methods and procedures and so on aren't the same as the process of influenza vaccines. So, yes, a year is ridiculously short and Trump idiotically insists that it's just a few months. As a result, people in charge tell him and everybody else "a year or year and a half" because that's the minimum time if we got lucky at the start to identify a vaccine, all tests go swimmingly well and making billions of doses of the vaccine is not difficult. Because the baby in chief can't accept anything else.

One person was quoted as saying yesterday, this virus will be "stalking humanity" for some time and requires invention rather than using a known technology. The schedule is event driven and not based on time. It could take a year and a half (not likely) or it take decades (also not likely).

 

[doublejj]

Kids don't get to go outside.

good......they haven't earned the right yet....old people have. The young should stay home so those that earned it can walk free.....selfish kids these days

 

[doublejj]

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