Lockdowns don't work.

[Budley Doright]

I hate gardening more then you. I never have any other plant like a house plant or any living creature pet living thing in my home except for my one marijuana plant and even that’s a bit much of a burden. At least I know it’s life is only a bit over 3 months , by that time I’m completely exhausted by the entire process.

! Really? I love growing weed lol. Just getting ready to germinate this summer outdoor crop. The legal thing has changed the market drastically here and it’s now almost cheaper for me to buy it compared to under lights in the grow shed.

 

[zeddd]

I hate gardening more then you. I never have any other plant like a house plant or any living creature pet living thing in my home except for my one marijuana plant and even that’s a bit much of a burden. At least I know it’s life is only a bit over 3 months , by that time I’m completely exhausted by the entire process.

I was trying to explain to a friend who wholesaled how time consuming and engaging it is. He said he had once grown tomatoes and it was piss easy, I have yet to smoke any of his weed.

 

[CunningCanuk]

No this works, pretty sure the debates over lol.

The debate was over before it began with it’s asinine title.

This thread should have been hijacked a long time ago.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

! Really? I love growing weed lol. Just getting ready to germinate this summer outdoor crop. The legal thing has changed the market drastically here and it’s now almost cheaper for me to buy it compared to under lights in the grow shed.

I’m allergic to it. I won’t buy store weed . I did that for years and It’s repulsive And covered in all sorts of sickening ingredients like pesticides cat hair, mold and who knows what they are growing it with or what kind of filthy dirt bags are growing it. The thought sickens me. The pain and suffering I endure growin my own is because I love the high and I grow some amazing shit with killer skills and dedication . It’s kinda interesting to watch the monster grow but the physical pain of burning eyes, sneezing fits and massive red welts and rash over my arms is terrible.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I was trying to explain to a friend who wholesaled how time consuming and engaging it is. He said he had once grown tomatoes and it was piss easy, I have yet to smoke any of his weed.

Yeah piss easy like the neighbors cat came over to fertilize it with its piss and shit. I saw a Sanford and Son episode once where Grady was taking care of Fred’s garden and he said that’s what they did to prime the pulp.

 

[Budley Doright]

I’m allergic to it. I won’t buy store weed . I did that for years and It’s repulsive And covered in all sorts of sickening ingredients like pesticides cat hair, mold and who knows what they are growing it with or what kind of filthy dirt bags are growing it. The thought sickens me. The pain and suffering I endure growin my own is because I love the high and I grow some amazing shit with killer skills and dedication . It’s kinda interesting to watch the monster grow but the physical pain of burning eyes, sneezing fits and massive red welts and rash over my arms is terrible.

Lol I don’t buy store bought either. I bought a quarter when they first opened just for snickers. I still have a few buddies that grow large

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Lol I don’t buy store bought either. I bought a quarter when they first opened just for snickers. I still have a few buddies that grow large

Tried the guberment dope, best Kush I could get, mine is better. The gorilla glue #4 X White widow (supposed to be 25% THC) needed an extra couple of weeks to mature to get to full potency, but is on par with the OG Kush I regularly grow. I've got 4 to put into 10 gal fabric grow bags for outside and I expect they will ge quite big.

 

[Budley Doright]

Tried the guberment dope, best Kush I could get, mine is better. The gorilla glue #4 X White widow (supposed to be 25% THC) needed an extra couple of weeks to mature to get to full potency, but is on par with the OG Kush I regularly grow. I've got 4 to put into 10 gal fabric grow bags for outside and I expect they will ge quite big.

I’m pretty much just edibles now, just made 150 gummies so enough for a couple of months lol.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I’m pretty much just edibles now, just made 150 gummies so enough for a couple of months lol. View attachment 4559670

The trouble with buying concentrates and edibles is you don't know if they soaked them in pesticide or whatever shit was used to grow and process it. Homemade/grown is best, I gotta get around to making some more oil and edibles but I'm just too fucking lazy! I've even got a gardener (sharecropper/grow partner) who comes in via the basement door (we do the personal distancing thing too) to run the grow day to day.

 

[Budley Doright]

The trouble with buying concentrates and edibles is you don't know if they soaked them in pesticide or whatever shit was used to grow and process it. Homemade/grown is best, I gotta get around to making some more oil and edibles but I'm just too fucking lazy! I've even got a gardener (sharecropper/grow partner) who comes in via the basement door (we do the personal distancing thing too) to run the grow day to day.

I
I went from hash to oil to gummies. I like to experiment lol. I grew up being a recreational pharmacist lol. It’s amazing I’ve lived so long lol.

 

[Fogdog]

You must be here for @Fogdog 's tofu recipe then? Welcome aboard! Memes and trolling are highly tolerated here.

(Moved into the troll therad)

Home made tofu isn't translating well from the book to the kitchen. Two tries and I've managed about a teaspoon of tofu. I'll figure it out. Any tofu sensei's out there? If anybody makes tofu and wants to chime in with suggestions, I'd appreciate it.

Some progress, though. Baked okara for a desert is good.

1 cup okara (pulp from making soy milk for tofu)
2 small or 1 large granny smith green apples, peeled and cut into thin wedges
1/4 cup raisins
2 eggs (lightly beaten)
2 tbs milk (mixed into eggs)
1/2 teaspoon brown sugar (to taste)

mix together all the ingredients. Pre-heat oven 350 F.
oil or butter a 9 inch baking dish, press the mixed ingredients into the dish.
bake 40 to 50 minutes until brown

Okara is what's left over in the cloth bag that is used to press out soy milk. As it is eaten fresh, okara is not generally available to consumers in the US. Substitute coconut or almond flour, which come from the pressings for coconut or almond milk. Before using these flours, mix some water into the flour give it a wet doughy texture.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Here is an article from Lancet that seems to support part of AC's contention. However by pushing severe cases into the future, we can use treatment options and leverage knowledge gained to most likely drive mortality rates to a fraction of their present levels of around .5%. We can also take extra measures to protect the vulnerable and have more time to prepare. Governments must control the spread of infection, they cannot stop it altogether in North America at least, and for that you need testing if you have any hope of reopening at all. Opening up without controls will overwhelm the healthcare systems and the mortality rate will be much higher than .5%, very much higher.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext

The invisible pandemic

• Johan Giesecke

Published:May 05, 2020DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31035-7

Many countries (and members of their press media) have marvelled at Sweden's relaxed strategy in the face of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic: schools and most workplaces have remained open, and police officers were not checking one's errands in the street. Severe critics have described it as Sweden sacrificing its (elderly) citizens to quickly reach herd immunity.

The death toll has surpassed our three closest neighbours, Denmark, Norway, and Finland, but the mortality remains lower than in the UK, Spain, and Belgium.

It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect.

Neither does it decrease mortality from COVID-19, which is evident when comparing the UK's experience with that of other European countries.

• View related content for this article

PCR testing and some straightforward assumptions indicate that, as of April 29, 2020, more than half a million people in Stockholm county, Sweden, which is about 20–25% of the population, have been infected (Hansson D, Swedish Public Health Agency, personal communication). 98–99% of these people are probably unaware or uncertain of having had the infection; they either had symptoms that were severe, but not severe enough for them to go to a hospital and get tested, or no symptoms at all. Serology testing is now supporting these assumptions.

These facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.

In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care.
I declare no competing interests.

References

1. 1.
   • Henley J
2. Swedish PM warned over ‘Russian roulette-style’ Covid-19 strategy.
   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/swedish-pm-warned-russian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunity
   Date: March 23, 2020

 

[Fogdog]

Here is an article from Lancet that seems to support part of AC's contention. However by pushing severe cases into the future, we can use treatment options and leverage knowledge gained to most likely drive mortality rates to a fraction of their present levels of around .5%. We can also take extra measures to protect the vulnerable and have more time to prepare. Governments must control the spread of infection, they cannot stop it altogether in North America at least, and for that you need testing if you have any hope of reopening at all. Opening up without controls will overwhelm the healthcare systems and the mortality rate will be much higher than .5%, very much higher.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext

The invisible pandemic

• Johan Giesecke

Published:May 05, 2020DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31035-7

Many countries (and members of their press media) have marvelled at Sweden's relaxed strategy in the face of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic: schools and most workplaces have remained open, and police officers were not checking one's errands in the street. Severe critics have described it as Sweden sacrificing its (elderly) citizens to quickly reach herd immunity.

The death toll has surpassed our three closest neighbours, Denmark, Norway, and Finland, but the mortality remains lower than in the UK, Spain, and Belgium.

It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect.

Neither does it decrease mortality from COVID-19, which is evident when comparing the UK's experience with that of other European countries.

• View related content for this article

PCR testing and some straightforward assumptions indicate that, as of April 29, 2020, more than half a million people in Stockholm county, Sweden, which is about 20–25% of the population, have been infected (Hansson D, Swedish Public Health Agency, personal communication). 98–99% of these people are probably unaware or uncertain of having had the infection; they either had symptoms that were severe, but not severe enough for them to go to a hospital and get tested, or no symptoms at all. Serology testing is now supporting these assumptions.

These facts have led me to the following conclusions. Everyone will be exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, and most people will become infected. COVID-19 is spreading like wildfire in all countries, but we do not see it—it almost always spreads from younger people with no or weak symptoms to other people who will also have mild symptoms. This is the real pandemic, but it goes on beneath the surface, and is probably at its peak now in many European countries. There is very little we can do to prevent this spread: a lockdown might delay severe cases for a while, but once restrictions are eased, cases will reappear. I expect that when we count the number of deaths from COVID-19 in each country in 1 year from now, the figures will be similar, regardless of measures taken.

Measures to flatten the curve might have an effect, but a lockdown only pushes the severe cases into the future —it will not prevent them. Admittedly, countries have managed to slow down spread so as not to overburden health-care systems, and, yes, effective drugs that save lives might soon be developed, but this pandemic is swift, and those drugs have to be developed, tested, and marketed quickly. Much hope is put in vaccines, but they will take time, and with the unclear protective immunological response to infection, it is not certain that vaccines will be very effective.

In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care.
I declare no competing interests.

References

1. 1.
   • Henley J
2. Swedish PM warned over ‘Russian roulette-style’ Covid-19 strategy.
   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/swedish-pm-warned-russian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunity
   Date: March 23, 2020

Fuck that bullshit.

They tried that in Sweden and it was a disaster.

Lockdowns work. Once rates of infection are reduced enough, wide spread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols can contain the epidemic. Wide spread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols are capable of saving lives if we continue to do them while we open up the economy to safe levels.

The US can afford the cost. It is true that eventually, if no vaccine is available, the virus will sweep throughout humanity and millions will succumb. There are no "treatments" that will save everybody. So, what that fucking letter to the editor recommends is failure to protect people. Its just more bullshit about "how to fail less worse". It's the equivalent to making a last stand before we even tried.

This, in particular is false:

It has become clear that a hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes—a population the lockdown was designed to protect.

Oregon had its first reported infection and first death in a VA home for elderly vets. It was bad at first. Since the lockdowns, over time, we've not had any more spread or deaths in nursing or assisted living homes. My mother lives in one and they are on high alert. Completely agree that they are sitting ducks, what with all the activity entailed to keep the place going. The lockdown worked to keep the people living in those facilities safe by shutting down the rates of infection in the community to the level where elder-care facilities can manage.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Lockdowns work. Once rates of infection are reduced enough, wide spread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols can contain the epidemic. Wide spread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols are capable of saving lives if we continue to do them while we open up the economy to safe levels.

I agree, but there are states and a minority of people who are miscreants and with Donald egging them on.

The US can afford the cost. It is true that eventually, if no vaccine is available, the virus will sweep throughout humanity and millions will succumb. There are no "treatments" that will save everybody. So, what that fucking letter to the editor recommends is failure to protect people. Its just more bullshit about "how to fail less worse". It's the equivalent to making a last stand before we even tried.

Treatments can't save everybody but they can lower the death count over the summer. Even if the red states put the brakes on in a couple of weeks, it will be very bad there in a month, though most people are practicing social distancing. I agree the more controlled the reopening the better and not just testing is required, contact tracing and isolation (from even family members) will be required to make it work. Fast testing with real time results are required to make it work too. We have to give treatment options a chance to be studied and deployed, there is good evidence that will save the most lives and misery while reopening the economy with a plan. The industry says we should have artificial antibody therapies deployed by then too.

Oregon had its first reported infection and first death in a VA home for elderly vets. It was bad at first. Since the lockdowns, over time, we've not had any more spread or deaths in nursing or assisted living homes. My mother lives in one and they are on high alert. Completely agree that they are sitting ducks, what with all the activity entailed to keep the place going. The lockdown worked to keep the people living in those facilities safe by shutting down the rates of infection in the community to the level where elder-care facilities can manage.

Unless you can isolate staff too, assisted care facilities will be vulnerable, other than testing and close monitoring there is not much else to be done, unless rates of infection in the general population are brought under control.

I just found out that one patient died and three staff at my sister's home nursing tested positive for covid-19. everybody is tested regularly and they appear to have contained it, since it was 3 weeks ago and there are no new cases.

I figure America will end up continuing on it's current path and the red states will be burned pretty badly after reopening, it looks like each state is on it's own down there. We seem to have a better and more organised and coordinated plan but we need much more testing IMHO to make it work. Lockdowns are to knock the rate of infection down, to protect the healthcare system and above all else to prepare for the new reality, Trump has trouble dealing with reality though.

 

[Budley Doright]

Nope, they seem to work!

 

[rkymtnman]

Any tofu sensei's out there?

my daughter and i watched Dirty Jobs and he helped make tofu at a plant in Hawaii(i think?). that's the best I can offer.

 

[Fogdog]

I agree, but there are states and a minority of people who are miscreants and with Donald egging them on.


Treatments can't save everybody but they can lower the death count over the summer. Even if the red states put the brakes on in a couple of weeks, it will be very bad there in a month, though most people are practicing social distancing. I agree the more controlled the reopening the better and not just testing is required, contact tracing and isolation (from even family members) will be required to make it work. Fast testing with real time results are required to make it work too. We have to give treatment options a chance to be studied and deployed, there is good evidence that will save the most lives and misery while reopening the economy with a plan. The industry says we should have artificial antibody therapies deployed by then too.

Unless you can isolate staff too, assisted care facilities will be vulnerable, other than testing and close monitoring there is not much else to be done, unless rates of infection in the general population are brought under control.

I just found out that one patient died and three staff at my sister's home nursing tested positive for covid-19. everybody is tested regularly and they appear to have contained it, since it was 3 weeks ago and there are no new cases.

I figure America will end up continuing on it's current path and the red states will be burned pretty badly after reopening, it looks like each state is on it's own down there. We seem to have a better and more organised and coordinated plan but we need much more testing IMHO to make it work. Lockdowns are to knock the rate of infection down, to protect the healthcare system and above all else to prepare for the new reality, Trump has trouble dealing with reality though.

I've come to never expect a single shred of intelligence from your equivalent of social media vomit. You went wild over HCQ and defended your posts endorsing it. This is no different.

That letter to the editor very carefully ignored the demonstrated effectiveness of containment measures -- widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols. It ignored the purpose of lockdowns which get runaway rates of new infections under control and reduce them to the level where containment measures can be implemented.

We are in a tight spot because there is no vaccine. That virus arrived with a cost. It can be minimized but even the minimum cost is more than anybody would willingly pay. The only question is how much more will it cost us? What that dumb ass letter said was -- sacrifice everybody who is vulnerable because, no choice. There is a choice. What lockdowns are buying us is time to get controls in place. What that letter and all the other propaganda coming from Republicans council is failure. We really only get one shot at saving lives and you seem to be trying to defeat those efforts.

That was a dumb ass letter to the editor and plays right into Trump's Republican propaganda tune. From dumbass hopey cure-alls like HCQ and this bullshit letter that you posted, you are playing the Republican tune. The incessant drumbeat of bullshit fake science from you make me think you are a troll.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Where is Dr. Conflict? I hope he’s not in Sweden doing research.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I've come to never expect a single shred of intelligence from your equivalent of social media vomit. You went wild over HCQ and defended your posts endorsing it. This is no different.

That letter to the editor very carefully ignored the demonstrated effectiveness of containment measures -- widespread testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols. It ignored the purpose of lockdowns which get runaway rates of new infections under control and reduce them to the level where containment measures can be implemented.

We are in a tight spot because there is no vaccine. That virus arrived with a cost. It can be minimized but even the minimum cost is more than anybody would willingly pay. The only question is how much more will it cost us? What that dumb ass letter said was -- sacrifice everybody who is vulnerable because, no choice. There is a choice. What lockdowns are buying us is time to get controls in place. What that letter and all the other propaganda coming from Republicans council is failure. We really only get one shot at saving lives and you seem to be trying to defeat those efforts.

That was a dumb ass letter to the editor and plays right into Trump's Republican propaganda tune. From dumbass hopey cure-alls like HCQ and this bullshit letter that you posted, you are playing the Republican tune. The incessant drumbeat of bullshit fake science from you make me think you are a troll.

The letter represented an alternate opinion from a Swedish fellow at an institute, no doubt defending their policy, I don't think it has much to do with Trump, just their pet theory. Trump and crowd are latching onto this model and trying to promote it in America where it will not work, it's not even working in Sweden IMHO.

I don't agree with his position or AC's, but in America at least for the foreseeable future you are condemned to it by Trump and the large number of his supporters who will not comply, other countries have other options. Unless the red states get burned badly and I think they will, this shit will go on until election day and get worse when Trump loses. The reopening will fail in the red states and without testing and the rest I don't know how it can succeed, neither do the experts. Without some kind of national effort on testing and policy, unless you have leadership, you are condemned to herd immunity mitigated only by expanding treatment options. Trump and the republicans want to starve you back to work, that's the plan as far as I can see it.

 

[Fogdog]

The letter represented an alternate opinion from a Swedish fellow at an institute, no doubt defending their policy, I don't think it has much to do with Trump, just their pet theory. Trump and crowd are latching onto this model and trying to promote it in America where it will not work, it's not even working in Sweden IMHO.

I don't agree with his position or AC's, but in America at least for the foreseeable future you are condemned to it by Trump and the large number of his supporters who will not comply, other countries have other options. Unless the red states get burned badly and I think they will, this shit will go on until election day and get worse when Trump loses. The reopening will fail in the red states and without testing and the rest I don't know how it can succeed, neither do the experts. Without some kind of national effort on testing and policy, unless you have leadership, you are condemned to herd immunity mitigated only by expanding treatment options. Trump and the republicans want to starve you back to work, that's the plan as far as I can see it.

Horse shit. You posted a bullshit letter to the editor that promotes right wing desires to sacrifice people in order to make money. It wasn't new, informative or useful. It might even fit the definition of porn. No redeeming value and of prurient interest. Like a judge says about porn, I can tell bullshit when I see it and that was bullshit.

Blue states aren't towing Trump's line.