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BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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AntoMaria7 said:
I honestly don’t know how can he has no shame, like 738100101038 videos are lying too?
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pretty much.....u can see it a little better in the russian disinfo thread

one of the reason i like to warn people about disinfor on youtube

pooty idea now, is to shut down most of all news papers and tv stuff....cause he doesn't want the russian people to see what he's doing to basically they're own countrimen/women, and now i'd bet he's also worried of the ICC as well
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Russian military warns of "provocations" involving Western journalists in Ukraine

Russian Ministry of Defense spokesperson Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov warned on Friday that Ukrainian forces in the city of Kharkiv were readying a "provocation" in concert with Western journalists by firing heavy weaponry from a residential area with the aim of provoking a retaliation by Russian forces that would be caught on camera.
Russian statements about supposed "provocations" by the Ukrainian side have been a prelude to shelling or strikes by Russian forces.
"In the city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian nationalists are preparing a provocation with the participation of Western journalists," Konashenkov said in a video briefing released by the Russian MOD. "According to confirmed data, on Zhylyardi Street, Kyiv District, in a private residential area, multiple launch rocket systems are placed between the houses. Nationalists have forbidden local residents, including children, from leaving their homes. Now the installations are ready for shelling units of the Russian armed forces located outside the city. The purpose of the provocation is to call back fire from Russian artillery on the residential sector of Kharkiv. All this is planned to be filmed on cameras with the subsequent transfer of filming to Western journalists."
Konashenkov provided no evidence to support the claim. Russia has previously made baseless claims about humanitarian workers in Syria being involved in staging or provoking attacks to prompt international outrage and spur Western governments to intervene militarily. "Ukrainian nationalists" is a shorthand the Russian government has used to characterize forces putting up resistance to Russian troops.
Journalists working in Ukraine have extensively documented the heavy shelling of Kharkiv by Russian forces, including in residential areas.



they're worried
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Putin will bring a dog, he knows she is scared of them and he's done it before. Putin is an asshole and you can no more negotiate with him than with Hitler. Negotiations require good will on both sides and there is none with him.
Let the fucker twist in the wind for a spell while arming the Ukrainians to the fucking teeth.

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Yes,I know ,I'm just figured I would throw it out there that if there was a potential envoy who could actually make some progress for the good of all involved it would be her,she even speaks Russian so no translaters need be involved, and since she's retired she would be seen as someone less prejudiced who Putin has a comfort level with, as a intermediary who knows Putin's nuances she could provide insight into his mindset providing valuable intelligence,and if anybody can provide avenues for him to de-escalate it would be her a familiar face w/decent memories to snap him out of his paranoid isolation.I mean hell desperate times=desperate measures,we have urban areas of millions reduced to rubble,potential radiation release scenarios now on the table,worth a shot to my mind and if she can make any progress at all or get negotiations started,what a crowning achievement for her legacy. I bet she'd be willing and I can't think of a better emergency envoy to go to Moscow that has the trust of both sides at this moment,time is precious here.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
Is this going too far? I'm not sure if this is the right thing for the met to be doing. But switch it from Putin to her showing support for white supremacy and I'd be in full agreement. So I don't know. Anybody want to comment? She says she doesn't support the war but still supports Putin. In the US, we do the same thing with our presidents (Obama's drone strikes didn't change most people's support for him).


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Russian soprano Anna Netrebko is out at the Met Opera over her support of Putin

“Anna is one of the greatest singers in Met history, but with Putin killing innocent victims in Ukraine, there was no way forward,” Met General Manager Peter Gelb said.
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Soprano Anna Netrebko withdrew from her future engagements at the Metropolitan Opera rather than repudiate her support for Russian President Vladimir Putin, costing the company one of its top singers and best box-office draws.

“It is a great artistic loss for the Met and for opera,” Met General Manager Peter Gelb said in a statement Thursday. “Anna is one of the greatest singers in Met history, but with Putin killing innocent victims in Ukraine, there was no way forward.”


Gelb had said Sunday that the Met would not engage artists who support Putin.
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It might seem like it, but if people where publicly showing support for Hitler back in the day, I would have no problem giving her the boot.

If nothing else all those other people working in that production having to work with her and suffer the stain of working to prop her up might rather have someone not as controversial as their headliner.


DIY-HP-LED said:
Well @hanimmal you won't have to be too concerned about Russia fucking with America through the media and internet, Uncle Sam has got the ball now! Social media companies are not just towing the line, but are jumping on the bandwagon. Foxnews is in knots and the Trumper supporting wing of the republicans is reeling, even Donald is throwing Vlad under the bus. I can't emphasize the importance of white Christians with guns and guts fighting for freedom enough, citizens with guns defending their country. You just know that the republican base will just eat this shit right up and there will be no political problems for funding etc. This war will be kind to Joe and Hell on the Russians, he's got Vlad by the balls and many are braying for his blood! The intelligence community is drooling over the possibilities and funding, they want retribution. There wouldn't even be any problems taking in refugees, the usual voices will be silent on these people.
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idk man, I dont see any good way out of this mess without someone in Moscow taking it out of Putin's bloody hands.

It looks like Putin is doing everything he can to trigger a world war.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
Yes,I know ,I'm just figured I would throw it out there that if there was a potential envoy who could actually make some progress for the good of all involved it would be her,she even speaks Russian so no translaters need be involved, and since she's retired she would be seen as someone less prejudiced who Putin has a comfort level with, as a intermediary who knows Putin's nuances she could provide insight into his mindset providing valuable intelligence,and if anybody can provide avenues for him to de-escalate it would be her a familiar face w/decent memories to snap him out of his paranoid isolation.I mean hell desperate times=desperate measures,we have urban areas of millions reduced to rubble,potential radiation release scenarios now on the table,worth a shot to my mind and if she can make any progress at all or get negotiations started,what a crowning achievement for her legacy. I bet she'd be willing and I can't think of a better emergency envoy to go to Moscow that has the trust of both sides at this moment,time is precious here.
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I say make Vlad twist in the wind for a spell and sit with his mounting problems for awhile. To talk to Vlad, you have to have his nuts in one hand and a knife at his throat in the other. He must be approached from a position of strength and he needs to feel a lot more pain for that to happen. He has to show up personally in a neutral country for serious negotiations and he had better be prepared to withdraw from Ukraine while he does it. Nothing will happen until the shooting stops though, except for humanitarian stuff.

However, this will not end for the Ukrainians, not until Crimea is returned and I expect a lot of the arms we give them will end up in Belarus to topple that government too. The Ukrainians will want payback after this and once Vlad is gone from Ukraine, he dare not return to that heavy armed hornets nest full of fanatics! The war will continue now, even if Vlad leaves the Ukraine, Vlad will have to go and a new attitude will have to arise in Russia for it to stop. That doesn't count what the CIA will be doing to help either, this will be on the Ukrainian's dime, official or not. Belarus is ripe for revolution and has been propped up by Russia for months and has been hit by sanctions too. Courage is contagious and many of the arms we give the Ukrainians will end up in Belarus eventually. Vlad probably realizes this and the domino effect it can have.
 
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Crumpetlicker

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The territory of modern Ukraine has been inhabited since 32,000 BC. During the Middle Ages, the area was a key centre of East Slavic culture, with the loose tribal federation Kievan Rus' forming the basis of Ukrainian identity. Reaching its height in the mid-11th century, the Kievan Rus' gradually declined until its collapse from the Mongol invasion in the 13th century. Over the next 600 years, the area was contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of powers, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and Tsardom of Russia. The Cossack Hetmanate emerged and prospered during the 17th and 18th centuries but was ultimately partitioned between Poland and the Russian Empire. In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement for self-determination emerged, forming the internationally recognized Ukrainian People's Republic on 23 June 1917. The short-lived state was forcibly reconstituted by the Bolsheviks into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which became a founding member of the Soviet Union in 1922. Ukraine was the most populous and industrialised republic after the Russian Soviet Republic, until regaining its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I say make Vlad twist in the wind for a spell and sit with his mounting problems for awhile. To talk to Vlad, you have to have his nuts in one hand and a knife at his throat in the other. He must be approached from a position of strength and he needs to feel a lot more pain for that to happen. He has to show up personally in a neutral country for serious negotiations and he had better be prepared to withdraw from Ukraine while he does it. Nothing will happen until the shooting stops though, except for humanitarian stuff.

However, this will not end for the Ukrainians, not until Crimea is returned and I expect a lot of the arms we give them will end up in Belarus to topple that government too. The Ukrainians will want payback after this and once Vlad is gone from Ukraine, he dare not return to that heavy armed hornets nest full of fanatics! The war will continue now, even if Vlad leaves the Ukraine, Vlad will have to go and a new attitude will have to arise in Russia for it to stop. That doesn't count what the CIA will be doing to help either, this will be on the Ukrainian's dime, official or not. Belarus is ripe for revolution and has been propped up by Russia for months and has been hit by sanctions too. Courage is contagious and many of the arms we give the Ukrainians will end up in Belarus eventually. Vlad probably realizes this and the domino effect it can have.
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Belarus is complicit and finished,Ukraine is due beaucoup reparations as a condition of Russian sanctions being dropped upon resolution of this crisis,which must include a Kremlin shakeup,Michael Kofman,a Russian senior expert at the CNA thinktank cautions that Putin's removal might not produce a pro western candidate or even an improvement on Putin for that matter(fingers crossed),hypothetical conclusions are difficult to ascertain,desperation drives even more catastrophic decisions,at this point it's HOPE FOR THE BEST because the world IS teetering w/many potential outcomes.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
Yes,I know ,I'm just figured I would throw it out there that if there was a potential envoy who could actually make some progress for the good of all involved it would be her,she even speaks Russian so no translaters need be involved, and since she's retired she would be seen as someone less prejudiced who Putin has a comfort level with, as a intermediary who knows Putin's nuances she could provide insight into his mindset providing valuable intelligence,and if anybody can provide avenues for him to de-escalate it would be her a familiar face w/decent memories to snap him out of his paranoid isolation.I mean hell desperate times=desperate measures,we have urban areas of millions reduced to rubble,potential radiation release scenarios now on the table,worth a shot to my mind and if she can make any progress at all or get negotiations started,what a crowning achievement for her legacy. I bet she'd be willing and I can't think of a better emergency envoy to go to Moscow that has the trust of both sides at this moment,time is precious here.
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The reverse of the Chinese symbol for problem, is opportunity. Fate has handed Joe a golden opportunity to do Vlad and reform Russia. The CIA must be going nuts over the possibilities that this presents and moving heaven and earth to get arms to the Ukrainians. The military also sees opportunity here since this war started and they especially know the value of Ukrainian moral and courage. With troops like this trained and armed in Poland anything is possible and they will be all in for supporting these folks to the max. Now take that and multiply it by 30+ countries. All of eastern Poland will become a vast supply dump and training camp for the regular Ukrainian army. Vlad blundered and he will pay in blood and treasure.
 
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