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DIY-HP-LED

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Ukraine does not have a navy as its ships were taken in 2014, hard to control the Black Sea. Russia already said Crimea is Russian territory, their rules of using nukes allows them to use them if there was a threat to the integrity of Russia. Without Nato putting ships in the area Russia still can rule the seas as long as they are at war. More so by the planting of mines that actual warfare.
A PT sized fast attack boats can be shipped by rail and equipped with a variety of anti ship missiles that could allow them to run with the big boys, when supported with drone air cover. The Iranians used this strategy to great effect in confined waters and if it can carry and fire a couple of harpoons it can be effective against the biggest targets. The UK was working with the Ukrainian navy before the war to get it up and running.
 

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Putin did not allow Alikhanov to justify the failures with a special operation. Video
Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed out to the governor of the Kaliningrad region Anton Alikhanov the inappropriateness of attempts to link the decline in construction in the region with a special operation in Ukraine. The working meeting was broadcast on the Russia 24 TV channel.

“There is no need to refer to our special military operation. You did it, but you don’t need to do it, because you had a recession back in 2020-21, and there was a noticeable decline in construction. A special military operation in the Donbass has absolutely nothing to do with it. This link was, frankly, not very appropriate,” the Russian president said.


Putin gave a reason for IT-specialists not to leave Russia
For them, the president instructed to create special forces
Russian President Vladimir Putin demonstrated to IT specialists the opportunity to realize themselves in Russia. They will be able to apply their knowledge and talents in special forces that are being created in law enforcement agencies and government bodies, at infrastructure facilities in cities, experts explain Putin's decision, which he announced at a meeting of the Security Council on May 20. These people will have to ensure the information and technological security of Russia in the context of a cyber war with the West, political analysts say.

President Putin devoted a meeting of the Russian Security Council (the so-called “big Security Council”) to discussing the topic of cybersecurity of information systems. The number of attacks on the websites of government bodies, the media, and law enforcement agencies has increased with the start of a military special operation in the Donbass , Putin noted. “The challenges in this area have become even more acute and serious, more ambitious. A real aggression has been unleashed against Russia, a war in the information space ,” the President said.

According to Putin, it is no longer “lone hackers” who are trying to hit Russian information systems. These are complex attacks that come "from different states, and which are clearly coordinated." “These are the actions of state structures, and we know that cyber troops are already quite officially part of the armies of some countries. Access to Russian Internet resources is blocked, information becomes inaccessible or is replaced with fakes, fakes. Increasingly sophisticated software is being used that can infect devices using various operating systems,” the president said.


All not so rosy in Russia?
Things haven't really started to bite there yet, the urban population will feel it the most and the most rural the least. However Vlad does have a very large federal security force who can be paid and given perks, they do have local cops who are paid by local authorities who might not get those goodies. They also have regional elected governments in the various republics and provinces. An iron curtain through the middle of the Slavic cultural world is not feasible these days and information is more available than ever, they're only hope is to drown it out by bullshit in the west and control it as much as possible inside Russia. Rural/urban, young/old, right/left political, rich/poor, as well as the usual racial, ethnic and religious social divisions are opening up inside Russia as the economic strain continues.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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From all the fires and molotov cocktails being thrown, seem like there is cracks in the Russian people, and it's starting to spread......
Drafting young men for an unpopular war often has violent results as they would rather fight in the streets than in Ukraine, or Vietnam. Drafting older guys with more common sense and experience for war in Ukraine would be a very serious mistake! They still aren't taking people from the big cities, just the remote rural regions, one day they might resent their kids being killed, while those from Moscow are not.
 

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Drafting young men for an unpopular war often has violent results as they would rather fight in the streets than in Ukraine, or Vietnam. Drafting older guys with more common sense and experience for war in Ukraine would be a very serious mistake! They still aren't taking people from the big cities, just the remote rural regions, one day they might resent their kids being killed, while those from Moscow are not.
from the looks of it, they are trying to get anyone to go young, old, and even older.....Moscow is starting to feel the pinch cause of the lack of infantry on the ground.....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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from the looks of it, they are trying to get anyone to go young, old, and even older.....Moscow is starting to feel the pinch cause of the lack of infantry on the ground.....
Drafting a lot of 30 or 40 year old's ain't the same as drafting 18 year old's. If an officer started shooting his troops, he would not last long at all among that age group! Most likely anybody with common sense would make sure he died immediately after, without warning. I'd make it a point of fragging the fucker the first chance I got, out of self preservation, if nothing else.
 

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David Petraeus: What Putin Has Really Done Is Make NATO Great Again
50,140 views May 20, 2022 Former CIA Director General David Petraeus discusses new remarks from Ukraine's foreign minister on NATO, President Biden's visit to Asia, why he says Vladimir Putin has made NATO great again and his praise for Ukrainian forces.
 

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I think they attribute some of this to special forces to prevent civilian reprisals. They must be infiltrating arms across the river into the south, along with people to train the locals, there are not that many troops in southern Ukraine covering a huge area and most are fighting in the east and west at the fronts. A few hundred guerrillas operating in the area with some weapons and support like drones and night vision equipment could do a Helluva a lot of damage to Russian logistics and supply lines, there are rail bridges there that can be blown and IED's to plant on the highways. Ambushing their night patrols would be another popular activity. A drone with night vision in communications with them could steer them clear of trouble and help setup ambushes of approaching Russian night patrols.
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How Ukrainians’ Guerilla Warfare Strategy Blindsided Putin’s Might Russian Army Amid War
42,807 views May 20, 2022 Ukraine’s sabotage groups and resistance fighters have been giving the Russian invaders a tough time. Ukrainian officials claim that incidents of armed resistance in Russian-occupied parts of Ukraine have been rising. What was expected to be a swift and easy invasion has turned into a bloody, prolonged conflict. What was expected to be a swift and easy invasion has turned into a bloody, prolonged conflict. While arms sent by the West have played a big role, Ukrainian guerrilla-style counter-attacks have also come as a shock to Putin’s forces.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Ukraine does not have a navy as its ships were taken in 2014, hard to control the Black Sea. Russia already said Crimea is Russian territory, their rules of using nukes allows them to use them if there was a threat to the integrity of Russia. Without Nato putting ships in the area Russia still can rule the seas as long as they are at war. More so by the planting of mines that actual warfare.
they can rule them as long as they stay out of range of shore based missile batteries. and as long as the rest of the wolrd puts up with them interfering in the delivery of grain...hunger makes some choices a lot more...palatable.
as far as russia's "rules"...the second they nuke Ukrain, all bets are off...there is no way the rest of the world will allow russia to survive that, because every EU member, every NATO member, will be thinking "we will be next"...
 

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Struggling in Ukraine, Russia paves way to sign up over-40s for army
In a sign of Russia's urgent need to bolster its war effort in Ukraine, parliament said on Friday it would consider a bill to allow Russians over 40 and foreigners over 30 to sign up for the military.

The website of the State Duma, parliament's lower house, said the move would enable the military to utilise the skills of older professionals.

"For the use of high-precision weapons, the operation of weapons and military equipment, highly professional specialists are needed. Experience shows that they become such by the age of 40–45," it said.

that story says it will be easier to "recruit" older people with the necessary skills...so there are just thousands of people with those skills wanting to be "recruited"? that are willing to leave their comfortable lives and go back into combat situations?
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DIY-HP-LED

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that story says it will be easier to "recruit" older people with the necessary skills...so there are just thousands of people with those skills wanting to be "recruited"? that are willing to leave their comfortable lives and go back into combat situations?
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Most have families, more sense, know what they are getting into and most importantly why, Ukrainian psychological warfare and offers of surrender will work well on them and most will want a way out alive. If required families can move to the west for awhile or they can send money home as refugees working in Europe until Putin croaks.

Having most of the male population against you would be a bad idea, sending his in internal security forces would be a worse one! The last time they were there at the beginning, they got slaughtered and the survivors crawled back to Russia with fun tales from Ukraine! All their colleagues now know too, bad news travels fast. It's running out of warm bodies to pitch into the fire that is their limiting factor, plus they are getting low on some munitions and arms it would appear.

Between the hammering they are getting, poor morale and dead officers, I figure they might collapse, running out of fuel could cause them to walk away from their vehicles, which would just be targets and of little use. If they collapse in the east, the Ukrainians will turn on the south towards Mariupol and once they got there would most likely destroy the bridge a Kerch. I think that might be the surprise punch and they would be dancing on their desks in the Pentagon to get the Ukrainians the means to destroy the Kerch bridge. It would be too good an opportunity to pass up, if the goal was to trap and destroy as much of Vlad's irreplaceable equipment as possible, and it appears to be...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Vlad has many enemies and Ukraine has potential allies and can do a lot for Georgia acting as Uncle Sam's proxy, it moves the fighting away from Ukraine and spreads out Vlad's forces while constantly attiring them and draining his treasury. Ditto for revolution in Belarus and they could have clandestine Polish help for that one too.

Make him fight three wars at once, in Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus. Kazakhstan too, if ya can, if the Ukrainians want him off their backs, make him fight elsewhere. Blow up those Siberian bridges too and blame it on eastern separatists, spay paint "Free___Wherever" from Russian imperialism. That would be my approach in Washington and Kyiv, start lot's of fires. One in Belarus is one he would absolutely have to put out, even if it meant pulling out of eastern and southern Ukraine to get the troops and equipment to do it. If the bridge got blown at Kerch the equipment at least would be trapped there.

It also appears that Putin is breeding some very dangerous characters in that part of the world as his list of enemies grows.
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After Snake Island Heroes & Grey Wolf, Georgian ‘Viking’ Fighting Putin’s Army In Ukraine Goes Viral
385,158 views May 19, 2022 Ever since Russia’s February 24 invasion, instances of purported Ukrainian resistance and heroics have taken the internet by storm. After Snake Island defender’s “Russian warship, go f*** yourself” reply, now a Georgian fighter’s response to the Russians has gone viral. The Georgian soldier was battling the Russian forces on the outskirts of Kyiv in the war’s third week. While making a video for his friends back home, he narrowly escaped Russian artillery attack and yelled “Missed me, d***head!”.
 
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Latest Russian Troop Movements: Ukrainian Troops 'Trading Ground For Time'
8,505 views May 20, 2022 NBC News national security analyst breaks down the latest Russian troop movements in Ukraine and says the Russian troops "don't believe in what they're doing" and "they don't believe in the plan."
 

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A PT sized fast attack boats can be shipped by rail and equipped with a variety of anti ship missiles that could allow them to run with the big boys, when supported with drone air cover. The Iranians used this strategy to great effect in confined waters and if it can carry and fire a couple of harpoons it can be effective against the biggest targets. The UK was working with the Ukrainian navy before the war to get it up and running.
If it were easy they would have done it already. The Iranians speed boats need to concentrate on a sea lane that is about 25 miles wide. Hardly apples to apples.

Drafting a lot of 30 or 40 year old's ain't the same as drafting 18 year old's. If an officer started shooting his troops, he would not last long at all among that age group! Most likely anybody with common sense would make sure he died immediately after, without warning. I'd make it a point of fragging the fucker the first chance I got, out of self preservation, if nothing else.
They are making it so they can get 40+ into the fight.

they can rule them as long as they stay out of range of shore based missile batteries. and as long as the rest of the wolrd puts up with them interfering in the delivery of grain...hunger makes some choices a lot more...palatable.
as far as russia's "rules"...the second they nuke Ukrain, all bets are off...there is no way the rest of the world will allow russia to survive that, because every EU member, every NATO member, will be thinking "we will be next"...
Once the ships are out of missile range they would have to be escorted by warships. There is talk about Nato ships doing the escorting.
that story says it will be easier to "recruit" older people with the necessary skills...so there are just thousands of people with those skills wanting to be "recruited"? that are willing to leave their comfortable lives and go back into combat situations?
There will be some patriotic types but generally they might be looking for guys that have higher talents than just firing at the other side. Espionage could be one. Or they really do not care as long as it is a warm body that they can send to the front to drive a truck.

Make him fight three wars at once, in Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus. Kazakhstan too, if ya can, if the Ukrainians want him off their backs, make him fight elsewhere. Blow up those Siberian bridges too and blame it on eastern separatists, spay paint "Free___Wherever" from Russian imperialism. That would be my approach in Washington and Kyiv, start lot's of fires. One in Belarus is one he would absolutely have to put out, even if it meant pulling out of eastern and southern Ukraine to get the troops and equipment to do it. If the bridge got blown at Kerch the equipment at least would be trapped there.
Nato would also have to arm all the sides. Might be better use of the firepower hitting the Russians in Ukraine. Putin may see this as an escalation that is a threat to Mother Russia and he has no choice but to nuke em. Be careful what you wish for, the last two world wars started with less.
 

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David Petraeus: What Putin Has Really Done Is Make NATO Great Again
50,140 views May 20, 2022 Former CIA Director General David Petraeus discusses new remarks from Ukraine's foreign minister on NATO, President Biden's visit to Asia, why he says Vladimir Putin has made NATO great again and his praise for Ukrainian forces.
How can you nullify Putin's nuclear hammer? Lend Ukraine a red button or two.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How can you nullify Putin's nuclear hammer? Lend Ukraine a red button or two.
How this war goes is up to the Ukrainians, Uncle Sam and a bunch of other intelligence agencies. As long as nobody pulls the pin on them they will go the distance. Their territorial aims align with American interests in destroying Vlad's army and drain his treasury, that is their stated war aim. Poland for instance might be interested in a change of government in Belarus along with Ukraine and the only way Georgia could defend it's self is with Ukrainian and American help. Causing trouble in other places is an old strategy and removes forces from Ukraine.

We will see about the Russian Black sea fleet, there are other players becoming involved as the global food crises deepens. Sinking grain ships might trigger some nasty surprises for the Russians. As for nuclear weapons, Ukraine will force Vlad to use them to defend Crimea, they are not afraid of Vlad's nukes when it come to their land and have even struck deep into Russia already. If he uses them on a city it will be game over, if he uses them on the Crimean isthmus on a military target it might be another response I figure. However I think he will find them ineffectual on the battlefield, unless the Ukrainians concentrate a lot of force in a small area.

It's mostly going through a menu of expanding options the Ukrainians have to win and get a peace from Russia, if they don't get an agreement and it is open ended war, then the kinds of options I outlined might be on the table.
 

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Three Signs Putin May Be Reassessing His Plans: Tom Nichols
38,401 views May 20, 2022 "...[T]here are signs that some kind of Russian reassessment might be underway" in Ukraine, writes Tom Nichols in a new Atlantic piece. Nichols joins Morning Joe to discuss.
 
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