and still NO answer.Don't attack me!
as a mod it is my job to spot trolls. then i ban them.
what did you mean by "my guy"?
and still NO answer.Don't attack me!
1. No, you're not reading what I said. I said: God created Man. Man created the Constitution. Therefore, Man is derived from God and the Constitution is derived from Man. And why would anyone believing this scare me? Should the philosophy of Thomas Jefferson scare me?That's some pretty f*ed up logic there. So with that sort of mentality, what man creates is actually derived from God. And a person in office with this mindset doesn't scare you why?
Also, wouldn't a person who put Jesus before anything else be a complete socialist?
2. So, you feel that Jesus was a socialist by today's definition? From where can you quote Jesus saying: "Submit to the tax collector that which you earned from the sweat of your brow, then let the bureaucrats redistribute the fruit of your labors to those who haven't labored?"
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I may have read into what you said a little more than I should have....1. No, you're not reading what I said. I said: God created Man. Man created the Constitution. Therefore, Man is derived from God and the Constitution is derived from Man. And why would anyone believing this scare me? Should the philosophy of Thomas Jefferson scare me?
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You didn't respond the scripture and comments he posted about Jesus being a socialist. Let's hear your thoughts. I went to a Jesuit high school and they always mentioned that Jesus was a socialist and that socialism is most in line with Catholic teaching. Granted, just because the Jesuits said this does not make it true, but this is a prevalent idea. It's certainly widely believed.1. The Creator is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
2. Why should we believe that we are endowed with our rights from The Creator? Because that is the basis for our liberty. If we believe that our rights are bestowed upon us by other men, say a governing body such as Congress, then this same governing body can take these rights away as well. I personally believe this is why the elites are attacking religion with such zeal ... especially Christianity. Take the belief in a Creator out of the equation and substitute with government, and we have what dictators have brought upon mankind since the beginning of time. I have a copy of the Constitution from the old Soviet Union. In their constitution, they have many more rights spelled out than that which is contained in our constitution. The difference between the two systems, is that the Soviet's rights were granted by bureaucrats representing the dictatorship. Our's are innate just because we are human beings. Big difference, no?
Yikes! I missed his post. Sorry.You didn't respond the scripture and comments he posted about Jesus being a socialist. Let's hear your thoughts. I went to a Jesuit high school and they always mentioned that Jesus was a socialist and that socialism is most in line with Catholic teaching. Granted, just because the Jesuits said this does not make it true, but this is a prevalent idea. It's certainly widely believed.
1. The Creator is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
2. Why should we believe that we are endowed with our rights from The Creator? Because that is the basis for our liberty. If we believe that our rights are bestowed upon us by other men, say a governing body such as Congress, then this same governing body can take these rights away as well. I personally believe this is why the elites are attacking religion with such zeal ... especially Christianity. Take the belief in a Creator out of the equation and substitute with government, and we have what dictators have brought upon mankind since the beginning of time. I have a copy of the Constitution from the old Soviet Union. In their constitution, they have many more rights spelled out than that which is contained in our constitution. The difference between the two systems, is that the Soviet's rights were granted by bureaucrats representing the dictatorship. Our's are innate just because we are human beings. Big difference, no?
That was not my premise at all. You made it my premise, thinking that all Socialists just want to pay taxes. My premise was that Socialism is the closest thing to what Jesus taught. He helped those around him because they needed it. Do you think Jesus would have bitched about paying into welfare programs? Would he have balked at instituting a healthcare system where all people could get adequate coverage?(And I'm not insinuating any plans brought forward from the current administration, so don't go there) Did he want unscrupulous amounts of money for healing the sick? So what do you think Jesus would have been? A pro corporate right wing capitalist?Yikes! I missed his post. Sorry.
I guess his premise would be ... because Jesus paid taxes, Jesus was a socialist.
OK, my response would be: I also pay taxes but that doesn't make me a socialist. In fact, the more taxes I pay, the more anti-socialist I become. In fact, I've become so anti-socialist that I'm about ready to say ... screw April 15, I'm not filing anymore!
And another thought: Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple. The temple most revered by modern-day, American socialists/progressives, is the capital in Washington D.C. That entity is now owned by the central bankers. I wonder ... would Jesus have thrown Bernake out of the recent Senate hearings?
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I don't think Jesus would be a socialist, a communist or a fascist at all. I think he would be a libertarian. In other words, Jesus would have us abide by the Ten Commandments, i.e., Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not kill.That was not my premise at all. You made it my premise, thinking that all Socialists just want to pay taxes. My premise was that Socialism is the closest thing to what Jesus taught. He helped those around him because they needed it. Do you think Jesus would have bitched about paying into welfare programs? Would he have balked at instituting a healthcare system where all people could get adequate coverage?(And I'm not insinuating any plans brought forward from the current administration, so don't go there) Did he want unscrupulous amounts of money for healing the sick? So what do you think Jesus would have been? A pro corporate right wing capitalist?
That's because Americans have lost their moral compass. We have become a dependent class of citizen; citizens who think nothing of lobbying their government in order to use government force to violate the rights of their fellow countrymen to gain an advantage. We no longer think government theft is evil ... in fact, we celebrate it. You can see evidence of this right here on this forum. Read Med-'O-Mao's posts. They're full of the typical "soak the rich" bullshit espoused by the left these days.Yet our rights are still attacked and taken away. The Creator isn't helping much.
lol. I always pictured him in a 15 passenger vanOn the environment: Jesus would be driving a Hummer ... one of the large ones at that. Remember, he had twelve disciples to haul around and he needed the four-wheel-drive as he spent a lot of time in the desert.
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Answer you, or else? The authoritarian punk thing is getting old. Take this...and still NO answer.
as a mod it is my job to spot trolls. then i ban them.
what did you mean by "my guy"?
where did i say or else?Answer you, or else? The authoritarian punk thing is getting old. Take this...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852_2.html?sid=ST2009071302882