CrackerJax
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All indications are that the open gay policy would hurt recruitment in the general population. The gay population is around 2% of the population, so i hardly think there's any kind of a windfall waiting in the wings there. There are already PLENTY of gays in the military now..... they seem to be just fine.Stoney McFried, thank you for stating so succinctly what I have been angrily rousing about in incoherent fragments for about 20 posts.
CrackerJax, how does it increase our military effectiveness to have less soldiers? Again, any officer worth his salt needs to run an efficient unit, openly gay soldiers or not.
You nailed it without realizing it. All military personnel ENLIST....volunteer. These are the rules.... if you can live within them....by all means join. Many gays have joined. It's a contract.... In the end, the military does not want any sexuality at all on base, ships....except on leave. then you can go hump a corn field for all the military cares. But for a service of COMBAT.... it's all about keeping the focus to maximum, and the INDIVIDUAL to a minimum. Openly gays increase INDIVIDUALITY amongst the ranks ... and that is NOT what the military desires. Rightfully so.....Well, religion shouldn't be forced upon them, either,but the god folks sure do seem to be rampant in the armed forces.Some of the oaths still have phrases like,"So help me god,"in them as well.Don't ask, don't tell should also apply to personal spiritual beliefs as well.It's ridiculous to refuse to allow someone to serve in the military just because their personal beliefs don't coincide with yours-whether that refers to religion or sexuality. Why can't they just be soldiers?Why does a gay person make worse cannon fodder than a straight person?
The military isn't a social experiment...it is a collection of citizens who have enlisted in order to serve their country.Since all citizens are equal under the law, all citizens should have the opportunity to serve if they so choose.The same rules apply to them as to any other soldier-and the same consequences apply if they violate those rules. You can get in a lot of trouble if you sexually harass another soldier, regardless of their sex. Gay people have no less self control than straight people.If they are serious about a career in the military,why would they jeopardize it by telling some homophobe his ass is cute?
Maybe she thinks you're going to JUDGE her.
The only thing ANYONE is asked is to keep it private.... OPENLY gay is not private. It's disruptive. In the general CIVILIAN population, I have absolutely no problem with anyone expressing their sexuality...but not in the military.Not all morals are bad.But my idea of morality may differ from another person's. For example, many people find "naughty" words to be immoral. I don't. Nudity itself is nothing to be ashamed of,it's the context its viewed in that may cause a person to feel ashamed.
Making gay people pretend they're something they're not is an example of the subjectivity of morals.The gay person is being told they should be ashamed of what they are,and that they should hide it....because someone else is trying to make them live by their own particular set of morals.I think,as long as they're not hurting anyone,it's not immoral.There are folks on here who scream about "the gay agenda",and how gay people are trying to force them to accept homosexuality...but in the same breath, they say that gay people should not be openly gay while serving in the military...isn't that forcing an agenda on someone,too? If you don't wanna suck a cock,don't.But don't make someone else feel like a leper because they do.
And public nudity laws were enacted primarily to keep waiters from dragging their balls in the butter dish.
No rights are being taken away. The military wants ALL sexuality to be discreet, unless it bonds the unit. This will not bond the unit...just the opposite.OK, so you don't care of someone is gay or not? Then give them the same rights that a straight person has... allow them the right to admit it openly without fear of repercussion. Anything other is discrimination. You know the military will function as effectively no matter what they legislate.
And to be honest, I sometimes don't get what your 5 word responses are getting at. Often times I do, but other times it is like my girlfriend watching Dennis Miller try to commentate on football.