londonfog
Well-Known Member
OK first you say get rid of, don't need them, eliminate...Now you say Ron really don't want to eliminate " just tweak it "... WTF which one is it ?????
The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2
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deprave
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He would work to ultimately eliminate them as soon as possible, he understands thats a pipe dream however, unless major changes happen, likely scenario he would work to eliminate their powers and make them more sane, he says this all the time and then its blown up to be that he would just outright end eliminate it on monday and then on tuesday we wouldnt have an FDA (doing the important jobs the FDA DOES)...his ideas are blown out of proportion as usual, when he talks about sane plans to limit these organizations powers the media blows it up to look like ron paul would like to cause a national catastrophe, again, Ron Paul is not some kind of terrorist or lunatic, he has served our country well for over 20 years.
Ron Paul has a Revolutionary philosophy, but it is only philosophy, if you interpret Ron Paul selectively or as realist, he is going to seem like a lunatic because his speeches and writings are very emphatic and philosophical - philosphy doesnt sit well with people who prefer not to address problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument, IE Strict Statisticians being the polar opposite. you must interrupt it from a philosophical standpoint as it is, treating it any other way is a misinterpretation of the actual message, this is why the media has such an easy to spin his words. Please listen to a few speeches of his in their entirety and try to keep this in mind. If your in to data and a realist approach to politics just start researching some things that Ron Paul talks about and it will all come togather for you that Ron Paul is an effin genious and he will change the world even if he is not elected as president.
You have a responsibility to protect yourself.
FEMA
I grew up on the Mississippi river. I knew almost every person in the entire community. I was related to many of them. If I walked down the street today in the town, I wouldn't make it 5 feet without people stopping me to ask about my parents or myself. I love this area, and some day I will move back, living on the river was a joy.
Every year since we had recorded history of the area, there has been a flood. We all knew it would flood, the question was "How high?" Every few years it would reach inside of the houses, which were slightly raised up off the ground. Sometimes it would entirely engulf the first floor of every house in the area. FEMA came in every year, and gave anyone who didn't have insurance money live off of for months, and big checks to fix the houses. Tens of thousands of dollars. Much of this work was done on the cheap and the rest of the money was just spent. Without exaggerating, I can say that thousands of dollars from any of the rebuilds went to drugs and alcohol. Lots of fraud went largely ignored.
Finally, after 20-30 years of this, FEMA gave them all extra money (20k+ each) to raise their houses up past the 100 year historical high flood level. I worked on the crew that raised all the houses. I rewired houses that had flooded, replaced drywall, built porches - you name it. The money from FEMA helped irresponsible people to rebuild. They got the same help or better than people who payed for insurance every year. These weren't people who couldn't find the money to pay insurance on their property, they were people who would rather spend that money on other things. While rebuilding the houses, we weren't putting them back to original condition. We were rebuilding them much nicer each time. They went from being simply 1-2 story homes to being 2-3 story brand new homes with sprawling porches and decks.
If FEMA wasn't there to help them when this happened, how would their lives have changed? They would of bought insurance. If they didn't buy insurance they wouldn't of gotten their houses redone when they flooded and would of had to sell them and move. Without government intervention the people who were too irresponsible to carry insurance would of had to move. Our government was artificially keeping these people here by their actions. That market would of fixed the situation.
I doubt FEMA was meant to be a free insurance company for people who didn't feel like paying for insurance. Every bit of help that someone gets for 'free' is being payed for by other tax payers. It isn't that those tax payers don't want to help their fellow many, or that they want all government help to stop. It is that they see every dollar spent on something as money that is being taken from them or money we have to pay back some day that we are borrowing.
Do you like hearing how much money was spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Bosnia, Somalia, ect ect? Do you like hearing about $10,000 shovels? Should Obama have spent so much money going to India?. I know it wasn't 200 million a day, but 200 million total is probably closer. That is like charging every adult in the country a dollar for our president to go to India, if they all payed taxes. At what point do you realize that the excess of government exists and needs to be fixed? Whether it be war, social programs, or just wet dreams of some politician.
Should the federal government have a plan for taking food to people in the Alaskan wilderness if there is a blizzard?
No, don't live in the Alaskan wilderness or have supplies to live through the weather there. I am guessing most of them have a supply of non perishable food if they live in the middle of nowhere.
Should the federal government rebuild homes in the flood plain or on the ocean for people without insurance?
No, those people should have insurance, live somewhere else, or build a house that can withstand that weather.
Should the federal government give me loans to buy houses I can buy normally? No.
Should the federal government tell me what to eat? No.
Should the federal government tell us what to do with our bodies? No.
NO NO NO NO NO NO. Not only is it wrong, it borders on being evil. People talk about helping the poor by giving them food, money, houses, ect. Then, those same people turn around and say it is awful to lock up wild animals in cages. Do you think a lion would rather risk dying in the grasslands of disease or live a couple years longer in a cage? Well, what is the major difference? If a lion in a cage has no dignity or freedom then how are the poor of this country any different? The cage might not be steel, but they are still being controlled. What our government has done is take away human dignity and replace it with a fat greasy government tit that spews poisoned milk.
FEMA
I grew up on the Mississippi river. I knew almost every person in the entire community. I was related to many of them. If I walked down the street today in the town, I wouldn't make it 5 feet without people stopping me to ask about my parents or myself. I love this area, and some day I will move back, living on the river was a joy.
Every year since we had recorded history of the area, there has been a flood. We all knew it would flood, the question was "How high?" Every few years it would reach inside of the houses, which were slightly raised up off the ground. Sometimes it would entirely engulf the first floor of every house in the area. FEMA came in every year, and gave anyone who didn't have insurance money live off of for months, and big checks to fix the houses. Tens of thousands of dollars. Much of this work was done on the cheap and the rest of the money was just spent. Without exaggerating, I can say that thousands of dollars from any of the rebuilds went to drugs and alcohol. Lots of fraud went largely ignored.
Finally, after 20-30 years of this, FEMA gave them all extra money (20k+ each) to raise their houses up past the 100 year historical high flood level. I worked on the crew that raised all the houses. I rewired houses that had flooded, replaced drywall, built porches - you name it. The money from FEMA helped irresponsible people to rebuild. They got the same help or better than people who payed for insurance every year. These weren't people who couldn't find the money to pay insurance on their property, they were people who would rather spend that money on other things. While rebuilding the houses, we weren't putting them back to original condition. We were rebuilding them much nicer each time. They went from being simply 1-2 story homes to being 2-3 story brand new homes with sprawling porches and decks.
If FEMA wasn't there to help them when this happened, how would their lives have changed? They would of bought insurance. If they didn't buy insurance they wouldn't of gotten their houses redone when they flooded and would of had to sell them and move. Without government intervention the people who were too irresponsible to carry insurance would of had to move. Our government was artificially keeping these people here by their actions. That market would of fixed the situation.
I doubt FEMA was meant to be a free insurance company for people who didn't feel like paying for insurance. Every bit of help that someone gets for 'free' is being payed for by other tax payers. It isn't that those tax payers don't want to help their fellow many, or that they want all government help to stop. It is that they see every dollar spent on something as money that is being taken from them or money we have to pay back some day that we are borrowing.
Do you like hearing how much money was spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Bosnia, Somalia, ect ect? Do you like hearing about $10,000 shovels? Should Obama have spent so much money going to India?. I know it wasn't 200 million a day, but 200 million total is probably closer. That is like charging every adult in the country a dollar for our president to go to India, if they all payed taxes. At what point do you realize that the excess of government exists and needs to be fixed? Whether it be war, social programs, or just wet dreams of some politician.
Should the federal government have a plan for taking food to people in the Alaskan wilderness if there is a blizzard?
No, don't live in the Alaskan wilderness or have supplies to live through the weather there. I am guessing most of them have a supply of non perishable food if they live in the middle of nowhere.
Should the federal government rebuild homes in the flood plain or on the ocean for people without insurance?
No, those people should have insurance, live somewhere else, or build a house that can withstand that weather.
Should the federal government give me loans to buy houses I can buy normally? No.
Should the federal government tell me what to eat? No.
Should the federal government tell us what to do with our bodies? No.
NO NO NO NO NO NO. Not only is it wrong, it borders on being evil. People talk about helping the poor by giving them food, money, houses, ect. Then, those same people turn around and say it is awful to lock up wild animals in cages. Do you think a lion would rather risk dying in the grasslands of disease or live a couple years longer in a cage? Well, what is the major difference? If a lion in a cage has no dignity or freedom then how are the poor of this country any different? The cage might not be steel, but they are still being controlled. What our government has done is take away human dignity and replace it with a fat greasy government tit that spews poisoned milk.
"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Carthoris again."
londonfog
Well-Known Member
See when you post Bullshit likes this it makes people realize that your whole story is BULLSHIT...The cost total was no where near 200 million total, but just like a repuke you have to lie to try to prove a point..First they said it was 200 million per day now you say 200 million total...Do some research and you will realize that the trip was on par with what Clinton and Bush spent on trips abroad and none of those trips ever went over the 20 million mark..so again BULLSHIT to your whole story..
Like you know everyones finances in your city by the river to say that they could buy insurance and if they had insurance or not, but seeing how you are related to all of them they would have told you
...damn what a way to use incest to try prove a point...WTF..guess its a southern thing200 million is a wild exaggeration, more like 50 million a day. Chump Change, the Government can release that much in Treasuries to sell to the fed to print the cash in 2.361 seconds.
In the case of some Clinton trips, we have figures from a 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office — now called the Government Accountability Office. The GAO said that Clinton’s trips to Africa, Chile and China in 1998 cost at least $42.8 million, $10.5 million and $18.8 million, respectively — not counting the still-classified cost of providing Secret Service protection. Guess one of those trips was well over 20 mil.
has the Dollar gained value since Clinton was in Office? Do we use more security now that we are post 911?
In the case of some Clinton trips, we have figures from a 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office — now called the Government Accountability Office. The GAO said that Clinton’s trips to Africa, Chile and China in 1998 cost at least $42.8 million, $10.5 million and $18.8 million, respectively — not counting the still-classified cost of providing Secret Service protection. Guess one of those trips was well over 20 mil.
has the Dollar gained value since Clinton was in Office? Do we use more security now that we are post 911?
sharon1
Active Member
I wanted to repost this in it's entirety...just in the hope that some might read again and it would sink in further. Good post. I couldn't agree more, even in the 200 mil figure is exaggerated.
It is still full of facts and it's a shame more don't realize it.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
The FDA isn't in the constitution! Get rid of it! Let the free market decide if companies are allowed to put asbestos in pancake mix! If you support the FDA, you hate America.
budlover13
King Tut
Holy crap! 105 pages LOL! Haven't read through it all. Just got back online after almost a week off after trying to service my comp. Guess i better stick to growing weed. No processors to fry!
Anyway, i'll read and catch up but that debate. The NH debate. Anyone else notice the way in which RP was received? The politicians and moderator laughed and dismissed, for the most part, when Dr. Paul was responding. The audience cheered every time he spoke. Not out of blind support, but agreement. And then the other guys started even admitting that he was right! Loved it!
Got some reading to do but wanted to give a quick opinion on the debate.
Anyway, i'll read and catch up but that debate. The NH debate. Anyone else notice the way in which RP was received? The politicians and moderator laughed and dismissed, for the most part, when Dr. Paul was responding. The audience cheered every time he spoke. Not out of blind support, but agreement. And then the other guys started even admitting that he was right! Loved it!
Got some reading to do but wanted to give a quick opinion on the debate.
LOL never happen.
budlover13
King Tut
As i read, i see that some RP detractors tactics remain the same.
deprave
New Member
Its really turning around, tons of republican are becoming Ron Paul, they are moving troops out of afghanistan, this is it, pick the real Ron Paul cmon people fuck everyone is posing as if they are stealing his ideas. Ron just thinks its hilarious.
he laughs about it here:
Previously posted video
[video=youtube;R-6I1G0Q6EE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-6I1G0Q6EE[/video]
NEW VIDEO - GOP BECOMING ANTI WAR STRAIGHT FROM OBAMAS BLONDE MEDIA MASCOT
[video=youtube;x1css0hkXaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1css0hkXaA[/video]
he laughs about it here:
Previously posted video
[video=youtube;R-6I1G0Q6EE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-6I1G0Q6EE[/video]
NEW VIDEO - GOP BECOMING ANTI WAR STRAIGHT FROM OBAMAS BLONDE MEDIA MASCOT
[video=youtube;x1css0hkXaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1css0hkXaA[/video]
deprave
New Member
Why the 2012 candidates are 'unusually pathetic' [NBC: 6-14-2011]
Morning Show on MSNBC - They talk about Ron Pauls Quote on the war vs Mitt Romneys - Makes Mitt Look Real Bad and Ron Paul look slightly better.
[video=youtube;5tDeMF_cPVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDeMF_cPVk[/video]
Morning Show on MSNBC - They talk about Ron Pauls Quote on the war vs Mitt Romneys - Makes Mitt Look Real Bad and Ron Paul look slightly better.
[video=youtube;5tDeMF_cPVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDeMF_cPVk[/video]
deprave
New Member
oh so what he exaggerated incredibly as obviously this would cost like barely thousands not millions and you cherry pick one quote just to pick on him...your so cool...See when you post Bullshit likes this it makes people realize that your whole story is BULLSHIT...The cost total was no where near 200 million total, but just like a repuke you have to lie to try to prove a point..First they said it was 200 million per day now you say 200 million total...Do some research and you will realize that the trip was on par with what Clinton and Bush spent on trips abroad and none of those trips ever went over the 20 million mark..so again BULLSHIT to your whole story..
Like you know everyones finances in your city by the river to say that they could buy insurance and if they had insurance or not, but seeing how you are related to all of them they would have told you
deprave
New Member
Since I am shocked I agree with you on something I have bolded for you the part that I would agree with, except I would say American People not america. This is the only part of your statement that is reality and not irrational fear. The first sentance well that just doesn't make sense, 'the FDA has unconstitutional powers' would be the proper way to phrase it in my view.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
totally. It should be up to the free market if companies are allowed to poison us.
I really enjoyed the "Southern" part of his diatribe best, because once again it shows his ignorance. The Mississippi river starts up in Minnesota, there are no states further north than Minnesota, except Alaska. Obviously he believes that the Mississippi river system only exists in the southern states and anyone who lives next to that river must be from the south.
deprave
New Member
do you have schizophrenia? Why these irrational fears based on fantasy?