Bums and dogs...

[imchucky666]

Oh my; this thread is off to a rocky start.

I voted "undecided" because I am loath to judge the situation without having all the facts.
But I am leaning toward "no". I would have left the pair together.

I would be very leery of simply taking anyone's pet without mutual consent.
Iirc the homeless guy in the previous thread was not an obvious drunk or druggie.
So it is possible that the benefit to the guy exceeded the hardship on the dog.
Also, as a general moral principle ... humans first! I do not subscribe to the PETA or "deep ecology" mentality that places "natural" creatures ahead of humans in value and dignity. Guess I'm a human chauvinist, which is odd for a bear. cn

LOL, politics,drama, it's all here somewhere
I agree with 'humans first' to a certain extent, but there's ALWAYS exceptions to a rule.
P.S. I heard PETA was an acronym for People Eating Tasty Animals

 

[imchucky666]

You know, that would make me sound like a dumbass if you weren't so stupid. Read the other thread and catch up before you start being a smartass.

I'm not being a fucking smartass. The pic that 420 posted was the only one I saw from the beginning of this thread.

Sorry if I made you mad enough to resort to name calling, did it make you feel better?
SEE? That was being a smartass

 

[Trolling]

Hey guys check it, I think rollitup likes me lol, I feel so honored.

Jokes on you Mr.rollitup, I could care less about my rep.

TY sir! May I have another! I'm just joshing you, I can tell we will become bffs. =]

 

[imchucky666]

Hey guys check it, I think rollitup likes me lol, I feel so honored.

Jokes on you Mr.rollitup, I could care less about my rep.

TY sir! May I have another! I'm just joshing you, I can tell we will become bffs. =]

LOL .
Ex military I take it?

 

[Scrotie Mcboogerballs]

Here's the deal, I have not read through this thread yet (I will) but just immediately want to say something. I've met plenty of people who have made the personal decision to give up al of the belongings and hit the road for awhile. Many of whom who have owned animals. What people need to take into consideration is that while dogs have become the most domesticated creatures ever, they are still animals. Animals love adventure and freedom. How many missing dog posters do you see every fucking day? Yeah, they like to wonder. So if somebody decides that they want to be free from all bullshit with their best friend, who cares? Most homeless make a pretty decent income considering their lack of bills so, i'm sure that their animals eat just great. Don't ever steal someones animal. If you really think its being abused call someone who gets paid hourly to investigate that shit. Grr . . . f'ing heroes these days.

 

[stoned cockatoo]

You guys think it's stealing at I think it's saving.

I'm gonna go steal a pony.

I doubt the dog gives a fuck about a nice house and some fancy carpet to shit on.

Just what people do though. Think they know best about shit they couldn't begin to understand like thinking they know what a dog that doesn't belong to them wants lol

 

[UnderBelly]

A dog is one of those transcendental things where a person who would never commit a violent act otherwise, could be justifiably willing to kill and/or die to protect his dog. It's really low on the list of risks I'd ever take, to mess with someone's dog when that dog might be their _only_ true companion.

 

[blazinkill504]

i say it was a good move for the dog. ive done it before when i see dogs bein mistreated by ppl with houses. i dont give a fuck if they would see me either. bottom line is if the dog might have looked healthy, but that doesnt mean he WAS healthy. dog had bad fleas an tapeworms both WILL KILL a dog. srh did the right thing.

 

[ted bundy]

Sorry stealin is stealin. I was homeless once my dogs helped me through it, id give someone a fist in the ass for that.

 

[cannabineer]

Like I said, we don't have any facts. So why lean towards no? I'd rather take h8's word for it because he knows more about the situation than me and you.

There is that!!

I don't believe the hobo simply wanting the dog justifies making the dog live in bad conditions. I say fuck the hobo if he wants to drag the puppy down into the streets with him. If he really loved the puppy, I'm sure he would be glad that the puppy is in a better place now. If he didn't love the puppy, then good job h8.. You just took the puppy from a bad owner. Either way, I believe h8 made the right choice.

We don't agree here. A dog is super loyal to its owner, and is probably much more indifferent to its living conditions than we are.
The other very important thing to me is the person in the equation. i am unwilling to devalue the bum's basic human dignity because he's a bum. I would argue that the fact that the guy kept the dog alive , fed and in a condition that allowed him to clean up real pretty for the pic ... argues in favor of the bum's attention to the dog. There are inconsistencies in the story ... like the day/night/water thing, that make me wonder just how awful an owner the homeless guy was.
And the thing I see getting short shrift is how much of a sustaining, encouraging companionship was taken from that guy.

But of course, since I have very incomplete facts, i cannot render a judgment.

LOL, politics,drama, it's all here somewhere
I agree with 'humans first' to a certain extent, but there's ALWAYS exceptions to a rule.
P.S. I heard PETA was an acronym for People Eating Tasty Animals

To me "humans first" is a rule of thumb, a good starting premise. It is of course amenable to suspension for good cause. I don't hold to it as if it were inerrant gospel. fwiw. cn

 

[Johnny Retro]

A dog who was brought up to live on the street will live on the street and be completely happy. The dog doesn't know what living in a house is like. All they want is that companion to protect/impress/love. The only way it would be "acceptable" to take away someones dog is if there is obvious abuse. But I'd be willing to bet the homeless take better care of their dogs than people with homes. The dog and owner are surviving together, thus making it more of a companionship. In a home environment the owner is surviving the dog. The owner is caught up in his/her "real" life to become companions that the dog wants.
Think about it. Dogs that live in houses mope around all day switching spots to sleep. They get let out a few times a day and that's it. That's their life. A dog out on the street is more in tune with his instincts and gets to roam.

Oh and automatically stereotyping "bums" into druggies is ignorant. You have no idea what situation that person has gone through.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I'm not being a fucking smartass. The pic that 420 posted was the only one I saw from the beginning of this thread.

Sorry if I made you mad enough to resort to name calling, did it make you feel better?
SEE? That was being a smartass

Don't you be getting smart with me boy.

 

[Trolling]

That's racist!

 

[Hepheastus420]

I doubt the dog gives a fuck about a nice house and some fancy carpet to shit on.

Just what people do though. Think they know best about shit they couldn't begin to understand like thinking they know what a dog that doesn't belong to them wants lol

You know what? You're right.. I'm sure the dog probably loved baking in the sun, getting eaten by fleas, and eating trash. You're so right. How dare h8 give him ac, fresh food, and a bath? That's just sooooo damn sick.

 

[Hepheastus420]

There is that!!
We don't agree here. A dog is super loyal to its owner, and is probably much more indifferent to its living conditions than we are.
The other very important thing to me is the person in the equation. i am unwilling to devalue the bum's basic human dignity because he's a bum. I would argue that the fact that the guy kept the dog alive , fed and in a condition that allowed him to clean up real pretty for the pic ... argues in favor of the bum's attention to the dog. There are inconsistencies in the story ... like the day/night/water thing, that make me wonder just how awful an owner the homeless guy was.
And the thing I see getting short shrift is how much of a sustaining, encouraging companionship was taken from that guy.

But of course, since I have very incomplete facts, i cannot render a judgment.


To me "humans first" is a rule of thumb, a good starting premise. It is of course amenable to suspension for good cause. I don't hold to it as if it were inerrant gospel. fwiw. cn

I don't think less of homeless people. The way I see it there was two homeless creatures and h8 took one in. I don't understand why people insult h8 for that.

 

[cannabineer]

I don't think less of homeless people. The way I see it there was two homeless creatures and h8 took one in. I don't understand why people insult h8 for that.

I think people are taking srh88 (I can't use the short form ... it seems so negative) to task ... not for changing the dog's living conditions ... but for not consulting with the dog's previous caretaker. His voice, even if its clarity is open to argument, counts the most in my estimation of the situation. I am very ambivalent about this, and my inability to ask questions from the other two members of this triangle (one of whom is not present, and the other cannot talk at all) means I cannot resolve my ambivalence. cn

 

[Hepheastus420]

I think people are taking srh88 (I can't use the short form ... it seems so negative) to task ... not for changing the dog's living conditions ... but for not consulting with the dog's previous caretaker. His voice, even if its clarity is open to argument, counts the most in my estimation of the situation. I am very ambivalent about this, and my inability to ask questions from the other two members of this triangle (one of whom is not present, and the other cannot talk at all) means I cannot resolve my ambivalence. cn

Like I said, it would be selfish of the hobo to drag the dog down with him. I understand how people feel bad for the homeless dude but the hobo should be happy his dog is in a better place.. And so should everybody else.

 

[cannabineer]

Like I said, it would be selfish of the hobo to drag the dog down with him. I understand how people feel bad for the homeless dude but the hobo should be happy his dog is in a better place.. And so should everybody else.

Imo that is a human-centric viewpoint. I'm betting that from the dog's perspective, the change is small. We're each imposing our thoroughly human-centric values on a situation in which we cannot interview the prime participant. cn

So, Fender. What do you like best about your new digs?
...Aroof!
And did you like your former life?
...Yip! Yip!
So how's life for you now?
...Rrrough!

 

[Hepheastus420]

Imo that is a human-centric viewpoint. I'm betting that from the dog's perspective, the change is small. We're each imposing our thoroughly human-centric values on a situation in which we cannot interview the prime participant. cn

So, Fender. What do you like best about your new digs?
...Aroof!
And did you like your former life?
...Yip! Yip!
So how's life for you now?
...Rrrough!

Oh so that's why a dogs' attitude changes with it's enviroment? Because their enviroment doesn't matter to them? Oh wait...

 

[Hepheastus420]

Their emotioms change with their suroundings and living conditions.. There's alot to back this up.