Vote for O'Bama. Lose your job.

[Padawanbater2]

show me the part where he says "government take over" you just made up a narrative in your head

That retard is so anti-Obama he actually makes up arguments nobody else sides with just to argue with himself, a true Rep. if I ever saw one.

 

[althor]

lol serfdom sounds nice this time of year i think you'll enjoy it

Exaggerate much?

Laugh.

 

[ginjawarrior]

MINUTE :40 to 1:00 of the video, Obama talks about government take over AS A GOOD THING, right before he lies about not giving more jobs to China. WHEN HAS OBAMA SAID THAT GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER IS A BAD IDEA? You're still not answering my questions. Whats wrong, hes talking about socialism. Isn't that what you like?

[video=youtube;8ZSiNvD6_bI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZSiNvD6_bI&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

no im still not seeing it

THE PRESIDENT: I said I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back and GM is number one again. (Applause.) So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. I don’t want those jobs taking root in places like China. I want them taking root in places like Pueblo. (Applause.)

Governor Romney brags about his private sector experience, but it was mostly investing in companies, some of which were called “pioneers” of outsourcing. I don’t want to be a pioneer of outsourcing. I want to insource. I want to stop giving tax breaks to companies that are shipping jobs overseas; let’s give those tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States of America, making American products with American workers and selling them around the world. That’s why I’m running for a second term. (Applause.)

Here’s another difference. At a moment when homegrown energy, renewable energy is creating new jobs in states like Colorado and Iowa, my opponent wants to end tax credits for wind energy producers.

AUDIENCE: Booo --

THE PRESIDENT: Think about what that would mean for a community like Pueblo. The wind industry supports about 5,000 jobs across this state. Without those tax credits, 37,000 American jobs, including potentially hundreds of jobs right here, would be at risk. Colorado, it’s time to stop spending billions in taxpayer subsidies on an oil industry that’s already making a lot of profit -- (applause) -- and let’s keep investing in new energy sources that have never been more promising. That’s the choice in this election. That’s why I’m running for President. (Applause.)

 

[FreedomWorks]

no im still not seeing it

"So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry."

 

[Padawanbater2]

"So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry."

You've already proven to everyone on this website that you're a liar. Why the hell would anyone believe anything you have to say if all you ever do is lie about it?

Get some moral character.

 

[ginjawarrior]

"So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry."

"So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. I don’t want those jobs taking root in places like China. I want them taking root in places like Pueblo."

so you want jobs outsourced to china?

 

[FreedomWorks]

general rule: don't start with the conclusion and build up evidence to support your conclusion.

Look. Frank Marshall Davis was for sure a huge big time communist right? He wrote a book called "the communist".Can we all agree on that? So if Frank was Obama's mentor in his childhood growing up, then how is it so ridiculous to believe that the two have similar views and ideas?

 

[canndo]

You will be seeing tons more of this.

I look at people like this man with some respect.

Seriously, if any one of you were to hit the lottery right now what would you do?
Something like a beach in the Carribeans sure sounds nice to me. There is no way I would have the initiative and drive to want to invest it into a big business and have the day in and out worries that an owner has. I would be retired. Work would not be a part of my daily schedule. I would get up when I wanted, go do whatever I wanted to do, come home when I wanted, go to bed when I wanted. Wouldnt you?

Of course you look on him with respect because you are perfectly willing to cancel your company out of the same outrage.


But the reality is somewhat different. This guy profited under the Obama administration - 93 percent of all the gains from 08 to now has gone to the top 1 percent. This guy is enjoying the lowest tax rates in modern history but he is bitching that if his rate goes up he can't afford to pay his people? BULLSHIT. You know it is bullshit and I know it is bullshit, it is just more of the same distain for working folk - it is just another 47 percent statement, it is the rich playing at a real life "atlas Shrugged" scenario. The same taxes that are levied upon his company will be placed upon his competition.


He is most likely lying, as Limbaugh claimed he would move out of the country if Obamacare was enacted - but there he is, still in Florida.

The right perpetualy claims that the left foments class warfare but here in this little story is the real class warfare, agitated by the rich. This man has as little regard for his employees as Romney does for that marine who was killed protecting our embassy - namely - none. Employees are to be used and discarded. And you have respect for this guy.

 

[FreedomWorks]

"So now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. I don’t want those jobs taking root in places like China. I want them taking root in places like Pueblo."

so you want jobs outsourced to china?

He lied about not sending jobs to China. The GM bailout saved a lot more than auto worker jobs. You may think its that simple, but people made a fortune in the process. Including China. Why you still trying to argue with me? You hate facts or something?

 

[canndo]

Did you know that asshole is building the biggest house in America at 90,000 sq ft, worth $100,000,000?

I read a different article on the same story and he was actually complaining that his employees and all of his friends get to go home on the weekend and settle down while he has to always be constantly working (was worth over an estimated $1 billion last year), and that all of his money "every penny" goes back into his company.

Hey Siegel, what about that $100 mil you're using to build the biggest house in America, asshat? What about all those pennies? Yeah, you'd rather lay off employees that vote Dem than spare a bit from that, and who the fuck do you think you're kidding, your company is alive and well and you're hoarding enough wealth to last you and your entire family many lifetimes over.

The fuckin' retards on the right who post here stand up and defend people like this. Blows my fuckin' mind... Siegel really cares about lowerclass people, doesn't he..

It's just like when assholes defend the drug war because "We've gotta save the children!!".

One more thing - if this wasn't just another callous, nasty, spiteful manipulation then this asshole would not have sent his employees this sort of veiled threat, he would have waited, and if his taxes went up regardless of who was president, he would have then simply informed his employees that he could no longer afford to stay in business - "sorry, that's the way it is".
No, he didn't do that, he didn't conduct himself as a man and a human being, he used his status to antagonize his employees and make a point of his ideology on the national stage.

But the right eats this stuff up. "see? if we re-elect Obama the job gods will become angry with us"

 

[ginjawarrior]

He lied about not sending jobs to China. The GM bailout saved a lot more than auto worker jobs. You may think its that simple, but people made a fortune in the process. Including China. Why you still trying to argue with me? You hate facts or something?

i'm still looking for "facts" to hate could you show me the part where he lies about "sending jobs to china"?

 

[canndo]

Ok, so I ask you specifically. If you hit the lottery tomorrow and walked away with 150mil bucks after taxes. Would you work? Would you take on the worries and pressures of running a large company? Or would you be like me and head for the hills and enjoy my "retirement"?

Then why is this jackass making things contingent on who is elected rather than quitting right this second - he says he has enough to live well and let his children inherit - if it isn't obvious to you that he is making a statement then look again. The guy whines about how hard he works but how much does he get an hour? And DO NOT tell me that he perpetuated his carreer simply so he could continue to "take care" of his workers.


When I was forced into selling my company (my ex precipitated the end result), I saw to it that each and every one of my employees found work, I made phonecalls, I helped with resumes, I wrote letters of recomendation. My employees were instrumental in making my business run, they were vested in our sucess, they were all in one sense or another, my partners. A business environment like that makes working fun for everyone Including the boss. If this guy hates working so much, then let him quit, but he won't, he will sell the company - this is all partisan and particularly nasty bluster.


And Althor - you are a reasonable man, you know the truth in my statement even if you refuse to admit it even to yourself.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

It is now being reported that Olive Garden is cutting back full time employees and firing to avoid Obamacare. Details to come out later.

Yes, turn the employers against the employees and lets see who wins.
Obama is great at division. Races against each other, parties against each other, rich against the poor, employees against the employers, four great years to come!

See post # 25.

 

[canndo]

Dude, what business is it of yours how big of a house he builds and what kind of money this guy makes, he's a private citizen, WTF?

It is no one's business unless he makes statements like "I put every penny back into my company" - then it is the business of people who have a habit of detecting lies and hypocricy. He can have as large a house as he wants, he can create a monument to excess, he can use far more of our commons than others and he can use his position to browbeat his employees - but we are free to point out his jerkwaddedness.

 

[althor]

Then why is this jackass making things contingent on who is elected rather than quitting right this second - he says he has enough to live well and let his children inherit - if it isn't obvious to you that he is making a statement then look again. The guy whines about how hard he works but how much does he get an hour? And DO NOT tell me that he perpetuated his carreer simply so he could continue to "take care" of his workers.


When I was forced into selling my company (my ex precipitated the end result), I saw to it that each and every one of my employees found work, I made phonecalls, I helped with resumes, I wrote letters of recomendation. My employees were instrumental in making my business run, they were vested in our sucess, they were all in one sense or another, my partners. A business environment like that makes working fun for everyone Including the boss. If this guy hates working so much, then let him quit, but he won't, he will sell the company - this is all partisan and particularly nasty bluster.


And Althor - you are a reasonable man, you know the truth in my statement even if you refuse to admit it even to yourself.

Yes there is truth to your statement. Like I told my employees, if I hit the lottery I am done. But, I will just pass all my investment to my foreman and he will take over. I wouldnt leave you guys hanging in the wind, but Id be DONE.
Now at the same time, unless I am exempted from healthcare I am barely hanging on right now as it is. There is no way possible I could pay for their healthcare. I am fortunate that my work stayed constant through the worst of the economy, but its finally catching up. I have been doing good to give the guys 30 hours a week lately. As you see I am sitting at home right now waiting on the next project to start Monday. I will have to let people go, if not just become a full time grower like our boy Uncle Buck if I dont see something change soon.

 

[canndo]

I would leave as much as possible to my kids and grandkids and hope they would leave as much as possible for their kids and grandkids.
Provide for my family for generations.

REEEEALLLY? you would go against your own principles? You would set it up so that your progeny would be living on your own handouts, sabotoging their self respect and dooming them to a life of moral and ethical poverty? You would encourage laziness and sloth simply because you got lucky with a dozen numbers and a 5 dollar bill?

 

[althor]

REEEEALLLY? you would go against your own principles? You would set it up so that your progeny would be living on your own handouts, sabotoging their self respect and dooming them to a life of moral and ethical poverty? You would encourage laziness and sloth simply because you got lucky with a dozen numbers and a 5 dollar bill?

Oh yeah I would. Even strongly suspecting my little Einsteins would probably have it wasted within the first two generations. Atleast I would go to the grave with a peace of mind I did all I could do to give them what I could give.

 

[FreedomWorks]

What do Finnish cars, Mexican solar panels, and Danish windmills have in common? They were all funded by your tax dollars.

Thanks to President Obama, taxpayer money, mostly in the form of stimulus funds, ended up in the hands of companies overseas. Instead of creating jobs in America, the stimulus and other Obama policies created jobs or sent money to Finland, New Zealand, Indonesia, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, Switzerland, China, Denmark, South Korea, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Italy, Russia, Luxembourg, El Salvador, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, and France.

How did this happen? Consider the example of Fisker Automotive. The company received $500 million in loan guarantees from the U.S. government to produce electric cars. Then they took their money and decided to produce their $100,000 electric sports cars in Finland.
President Obama's policies may be spurring job creation in Scandinavia. But here at home, twenty-three million Americans are struggling for work. Millions of middle class families can barely make ends meet.

The billions of dollars that went overseas largely had to be borrowed. In other words, President Obama borrowed money from countries like China to send money to... countries like China. It's that kind of reckless spending that led President Obama to rack up $5.6 trillion in debt over the last three and a half years, bringing our total national debt to $16+ trillion.

 

[canndo]

Or could Westgate resorts be just the beginning ?


Darden Restaurants looks to limit employee hours due to Obama Care
Atlanta Business Chronicle by Jacques Couret, Senior Online Editor
Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 11:07am EDT
Darden's plans also include revamping older Olive Garden restaurants.

Darden Restaurants, the company that operates Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse restaurants in Atlanta and nationwide, is experimenting with limiting hours of some employees to avoid health care requirements introduced in the Affordable Care Act.

Darden Restaurants, the company that operates Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse restaurants in Atlanta and nationwide, is experimenting with limiting hours of some employees to avoid health care requirements introduced in the Affordable Care Act.

The pilot project is only occurring at a “select number” of restaurants, the Orlando Sentinel said, while the restaurant company determines whether it is a viable option. Under a provision of Obama Care that will take effect in 2014, all large companies must offer health care to employees who work 30 hours or more per week.

Orlando, Fla.-based Darden is the world’s largest casual dining company and has about 185,000 employees, the Sentinel said. If widely implemented, according to observers, the plan to limit worker hours could result in less-skilled workers and a higher turnover.

This is free enterprise at work - when a law is enacted in order to help the greatest number and that law is in any way burdensome on business, rather than go along with the program for the greatest good for society, those businesses will go to any length to skirt the law, and the right lauds this sort of behavior. Does the company take into account that usually part time workers are less productive and shorter hours yield less worker output? OF course they do but this is not about their bottom line, it is about their childish obstructionism and their statement of hatred for the present administration - nothing more but they will hide behind their claim of "sound business practices".

 

[canndo]

I dont get why people seem down on the guy.

You can say whatever you want. If you guys had 200mil sitting in your bank account, you would spend your days getting as HIGH AS POSSIBLE and your nights getting as HIGH AS POSSIBLE. The most you would do is keep up with your own crop.
But, if this guy doesnt take on the headaches of running a business and having his money squeezed, then he is a bad guy?!

This is what I have been trying to get through to you knuckleheads all along. You treat the 1% like shit, they take their money and go home, and who can blame them? I know if I had that kind of money I would be on a permanent vacation.

One more reason to erect tax structures to keep them from doing so. Want to cash out? it is going to cost you, keep your money in your business and you continue to profit. So long as the tax structure is the way it currently is, people will tend to cash out and their doing so will continue to weaken the country they profess to love.

So which is it? are they Americans first or are they simply greedy people who care not how their actions affect those around them.