Here it comes - gun control!!!

Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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st0wandgrow said:
LMAO! Yep, that's the ticket. We all need to "MAN UP"!

Why don't you "MAN UP" and try defending yourself without the use of a weapon? Are you that much of a pussy that you need a gun?

C'mon, "MAN UP"!!
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by Man Up, i mean be less of an old woman and stop whimpering and crying into your babushka over every incidence of violence in the world.

nobody HAS to have a gun, shit i dont give a fuck if you want one or not, or if you are terrified of the prospect of even their existence, but you dont get to tell me i cannot have a gun

you snivel out the same pathetic retorts all gun banners resort to. you accuse anyone with a gun of being scared of his own shadow, and hiding in a closet hugging his knees if his gun isnt right there to provide comfort, next up will be a "because you have small/no penis issues", followed immediately by an implication that youre too smart to need a gun cuz youre so evolved.

did i miss any of your bullet points?

nice move Steve Kangas, youre running the same cycle as you did in your last incarnation.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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st0wandgrow said:
I'm not the coward that sleeps with a gun under my pillow. You pansies can't even go to the mall without your security blanket strapped to your hip.

Middle aged, fat, pasty-white Americans with a sense of bravado because you have a gun telling others to "MAN UP" is laughable.
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The lefties' racist mantra. Chant it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Beefbisquit said:
I thought the table was easily read, the table is for "Total Gun Related Deaths" - That is the default sorting method. However, if you click on "Homicides", it changes the sorting method to sort by Homicides. The graph that is displayed is clearly sorted by Homicides, as the table goes ascending to descending based on number of homicides, and nothing else.
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I don't see how to order it to highlight the non-civil (military and paramilitary) deaths. please assist.
The original scenario neither eludes to capture, escape, or death. Only that I, a bystander, was shot in the act. Does the blame shift in either scenario if the robber/Person B lives, or dies? I can't see that making any difference in who's blame my death lies with?
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But there was one shooter. He obviously shot you, whether or not he connected with the other guy at whom he shot.
(Parenthetically, you identified the shooter in the second person, suggesting it could have been I doing the shooting. I would not shoot someone over a stolen wallet; not a violent crime. i would also not put my finger into the trigger guard in a crowded place where I was unsure of my backstop. Gun carried <does not equal sign> cowboy.)
I don't see how you can claim the the "guy who didn't shoot you" is the one tried. I detect a lateral leap of premise.

Finally, you dismissed my earlier post by focusing in on "you didn't mention life". Now that we've discharged that, I invite you now to comment on the rest of it. cn
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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NoDrama said:
I have never seen a kid get in one, unless said box was left open.
The box will most certainly prevent accidental discharge, unauthorized entry into this box would in most states be a felony act and in some states is legal reason for justifiable homicide committed against said box opener.
Someone in the home probably could open the box, but the ammo is stored elsewhere in a different container altogether so it becomes a well machined club without ammo.
The box would most likely frustrate a thief, some of the boxes are very elaborate with security systems and lighting and so forth.

So how about it?
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If a kid, or someone not trained to use the firearm could easily access it, the box is useless. If the ammo and gun both don't require some form of securty to access them, it's pointless. You might as well tell people there's an invisible force field around it.

The box must keep unauthorized people from using the firearm. I use a trigger lock, not a box, easier to get off in a jiffy.



NoDrama said:
The US population and the # of guns in the USA is greater than all of those countries combined. Logic would only dictate that the USA would have more deaths by firearm.

We have more tractors too, and more deaths by tractor.
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Logic would dictate that the gun homicides would be proportional to how many more guns there are, but it isn't. The USA might have x2 as many guns per person as other countries but has VASTLY larger than x2 the gun murders.

If you looked at Canada and the USA for tractor use, and death. You'd see that the USA has way more tractors than Canada, but the deaths per 100,000 people due to tractors is going to be about the same. More deaths, same ratio. Are you following me here?

If you look at Gun murders, Canada has just under half as many guns per person as the USA, You would expect a similar ratio, but it's not similar. It's way off the fucking deep end.
 
Doer

Doer

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No one will say the Atlantic is anything but anti-nuts. But, they have the facts straight.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/the-single-best-anti-gun-death-policy-ending-the-drug-war/266505/

THE GUN NUMBERS TO FOCUS ON

Any gun control we enact will have a limited effect. But this should not be cause for despair. Much of the recent hysteria over gun deaths is misplaced.

A lot of people have been citing a recent report, "American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015." The article shows that gun deaths in America are slowly rising, and now stand at 32,000 per year -- a staggering toll. Now, 32,000 deaths per year is a lot of death, and I'd never minimize that. But what the article's authors fail to mention is that gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides.


In fact, murder by gun has been falling steadily since the early 1990s.
 
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NoDrama

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Beefbisquit said:
The box must keep unauthorized people from using the firearm. I use a trigger lock, not a box, easier to get off in a jiffy.
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How does a trigger lock keep me from taking your gun out of your home and taking it to my house where 5 minutes with a dremel tool will have me a gun to go killin with?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Doer said:
No one will say the Atlantic is anything but anti-nuts. But, they have the facts straight.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/the-single-best-anti-gun-death-policy-ending-the-drug-war/266505/

THE GUN NUMBERS TO FOCUS ON

Any gun control we enact will have a limited effect. But this should not be cause for despair. Much of the recent hysteria over gun deaths is misplaced.

A lot of people have been citing a recent report, "American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015." The article shows that gun deaths in America are slowly rising, and now stand at 32,000 per year -- a staggering toll. Now, 32,000 deaths per year is a lot of death, and I'd never minimize that. But what the article's authors fail to mention is that gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 "gun deaths" are suicides.


In fact, murder by gun has been falling steadily since the early 1990s.
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Interesting coincidence. Respect for the second amendment began to turn up at about the same time.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Have you guy's ever seen what an assault rifle does to somone up close?........The only thing missing here are the pictures of those classrooms at Sandy Hook! You really should see this for yourselves before you have this conversation. Go talk to the first responders.
I served in the US ARMY as a combat medic in Vietnam.........& I can say, there is no reason for assault rifles in the USA!
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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cannabineer said:
I don't see how to order it to highlight the non-civil (military and paramilitary) deaths. please assist.
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Why do you assume military deaths are counted amoung these? These are deaths in the USA. Not killed abroad in action. Not number of people that were US citizens killed, people killed in the USA. It might not be 100% definitive, but look at the sources. It's about gun crime, not war.

But there was one shooter. He obviously shot you, whether or not he connected with the other guy at whom he shot.
(Parenthetically, you identified the shooter in the second person, suggesting it could have been I doing the shooting. I would not shoot someone over a stolen wallet; not a violent crime.
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Holy detail oriented, batman.

Person A is being robbed by Person B.
Person A has CCW permit, and person B is also carrying a gun (illegally)
Person A gives his wallet to Person B, who retreats.
As person B is retreating Person A draws and fires 2 shots, hitting him with one and me with the other.

Is person A responsible for my injury or death? That is my question. I wasn't trying to answer the question myself, I was asking you.

i would also not put my finger into the trigger guard in a crowded place where I was unsure of my backstop.
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Good. That's some common sense, now all we need is for training like that to be a requirement so everyone knows it.

Gun carried <does not equal sign> cowboy.)
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Agreed. Cowboys shot frequently, and were more than likely extremely proficient with their firearms. Having a 5 year expiry on CCW permits doesn't ensure CCW holders are proficient in the least.

I don't see how you can claim the the "guy who didn't shoot you" is the one tried. I detect a lateral leap of premise.
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Mis-understanding, hence my clarification of the "shooter" scenario.

Finally, you dismissed my earlier post by focusing in on "you didn't mention life". Now that we've discharged that, I invite you now to comment on the rest of it. cn
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Already did, you may have some reading to do! lol
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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doublejj said:
Have you guy's ever seen what an assault rifle does to somone up close?........The only thing missing here are the pictures of those classrooms at Sandy Hook! You really should see this for yourselves before you have this conversation. Go talk to the first responders.
I served in the US ARMY as a combat medic in Vietnam.........& I can say, there is no reason for assault rifles in the USA!
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There are very very very few assault rifles in the USA's civilian hands. If you mean "assault weapon", that is a Protean term ginned together by the propagandists. Let's not feed the trolls. cn
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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NoDrama said:
How does a trigger lock keep me from taking your gun out of your home and taking it to my house where 5 minutes with a dremel tool will have me a gun to go killin with?
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It's called a reasonable measure to ensure safety. Locks only keep honest people out. By your same line of reasoning cars shouldn't have locks on them if someone can just 'break the window and hot wire it and go driving with it.'

Why lock your house door? Someone can just kick it in.

Because it's a reasonable safety measure to take, and so is putting a trigger lock on your firearm to render it as inoperable as possible to anyone but the owner.
 
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NoDrama

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Beefbisquit said:
It's called a reasonable measure to ensure safety. Locks only keep honest people out. By your same line of reasoning cars shouldn't have locks on them if someone can just 'break the window and hot wire it and go driving with it.'
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Excellent, so a house with locks on it is a reasonable measure, thanks for agreeing.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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You know the 2nd ammendment was written the the 1700's, maybe we should apply it only to guns that existed at that time?
That pretty much solves it.
 
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