1000w Coco Multi-strain Medicinal Grow
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hmk024
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I Use Botanicare too, its a great product, tho i have some irks with it... here is why...
Ive used this since the first time ive planted in coco and it is definetly a great product, it dissolves well if u dont gingerly mix it in your water, you know stir or shake it up well. Charts on the back of the bottle do give you a great estimation and starting point, but what size plant are they comparing to? I see your point on that t0rn, how you should scale nutrients down to plant size accordingly. But in my case, my plants are bushier than a french pussy, and just under 2 feet in height. I give them full nutrients each time, only once have i gave them 3/4 strength and have just drank all those up too quickly imo.
Second deal with botanicare, is the Potassium content in it is low, too low, 3-1-2. I have 2 beautifully healthy plants, yet one is more of a pain in the ass than the other, so it will definetly "complain" by showing me signs on her leaves. She now suffers from a deficiency in Potassium that botanicare vegetative nutrients do not provide. An easy fix to that is use bloom state nutrients, 2-2-3 which have 1% more potassium, but i might be trying a different line of vegative style nutrients for my plants, give you all a comparrison as detailed like this.
Try botanicare, made my banana kush shoot up and fluffy out like crazy, hand sized leaves on that girl. Hope this helps a little from experience rather than reading a bottle or website information. Nice plants man, they are getting bigger!
Ive used this since the first time ive planted in coco and it is definetly a great product, it dissolves well if u dont gingerly mix it in your water, you know stir or shake it up well. Charts on the back of the bottle do give you a great estimation and starting point, but what size plant are they comparing to? I see your point on that t0rn, how you should scale nutrients down to plant size accordingly. But in my case, my plants are bushier than a french pussy, and just under 2 feet in height. I give them full nutrients each time, only once have i gave them 3/4 strength and have just drank all those up too quickly imo.
Second deal with botanicare, is the Potassium content in it is low, too low, 3-1-2. I have 2 beautifully healthy plants, yet one is more of a pain in the ass than the other, so it will definetly "complain" by showing me signs on her leaves. She now suffers from a deficiency in Potassium that botanicare vegetative nutrients do not provide. An easy fix to that is use bloom state nutrients, 2-2-3 which have 1% more potassium, but i might be trying a different line of vegative style nutrients for my plants, give you all a comparrison as detailed like this.
Try botanicare, made my banana kush shoot up and fluffy out like crazy, hand sized leaves on that girl. Hope this helps a little from experience rather than reading a bottle or website information. Nice plants man, they are getting bigger!
t0rn
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Haha 420, I've done that one before, wrote a story and hit the wrong button. SUCKS!
Back of the bottle has a standard application rate of bloom and ripe at 25 ml per gallon. Some strains don't take well to a lot of nutrients while others you can go full blast on them and not run into problems. Charts don't tell you how to grow, they are just a good indicator. You could write out a whole feeding chart, but the plant will dictate how much and how often it needs it. By the end of the cycle you'll be way off your chart (unless you dialed in the strain multiple times). Some plants drink faster than others, some medias dry out faster than others. I find the best thing to do is keep a journal of your plants and chart how they react to the nutes you're using. Common sense and a good foundation of the basic fundamentals (found in books/forums) will take you a long way.
Back of the bottle has a standard application rate of bloom and ripe at 25 ml per gallon. Some strains don't take well to a lot of nutrients while others you can go full blast on them and not run into problems. Charts don't tell you how to grow, they are just a good indicator. You could write out a whole feeding chart, but the plant will dictate how much and how often it needs it. By the end of the cycle you'll be way off your chart (unless you dialed in the strain multiple times). Some plants drink faster than others, some medias dry out faster than others. I find the best thing to do is keep a journal of your plants and chart how they react to the nutes you're using. Common sense and a good foundation of the basic fundamentals (found in books/forums) will take you a long way.
t0rn
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Good point HMK, I do actually use some of the bloom nute in veg as well. I'm using an application of 12 ml grow, 3 ml bloom, 1 ml superthrive per gallon atm and we have about the same sized plants. The Hog seems a little shy when it comes nutes so I've halved the mixture for her until she's happy again, then I may take it a little further.
The fimmed Poison is already showing that I didn't fuck up the other tiny node that was coming in next to it, whew. That was a nerve wracking process for sure. It really looks like I've got a 4 top poison coming up for flowering. Trying to train the Romulan right now, it seems to like to branch almost straight out to the side rather than at an angle upward. Every time I'm out there I try to bend the little branches up and toward the light. If that doesn't work out I'm not going to be topping Romulan, just one straight cola as nature intended.
The fimmed Poison is already showing that I didn't fuck up the other tiny node that was coming in next to it, whew. That was a nerve wracking process for sure. It really looks like I've got a 4 top poison coming up for flowering. Trying to train the Romulan right now, it seems to like to branch almost straight out to the side rather than at an angle upward. Every time I'm out there I try to bend the little branches up and toward the light. If that doesn't work out I'm not going to be topping Romulan, just one straight cola as nature intended.
420Marine
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Great point up thier RE: "the plant dictates..." spot on. Funny you should talk about topping today though. When I transplanted I topped all but one (I was worried like you somethign might happen) but all system seem go but I'm going to keep one and let er just grow. I would love to know when you started lsting (I must have missed that post) as I am def interested in going that route next grow...I waited too long on this one and now the talks are really good and solid and I def can't be breaking that stem.
t0rn
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I'm not doing any LST, topped 3 and fimmed one.
Here's a good link to a FIM how to:
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/200413-fimming-m-blaze-complete-how.html
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Here's a good link to a FIM how to:
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/200413-fimming-m-blaze-complete-how.html
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t0rn
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Well, I didn't have the money at the moment to get some rockwool cubes or cloning gel. I made some more little cups out of water bottles and drilled holes at the bottom for excess drainage. After watching quite a few sublbc's videos he talks about how phosphorus aids with rooting. I made a weak strength nute mix of cns17 bloom and watered the coco with that and used great white (mycorhizae and trichoderma innoculant) in a diluted paste form to dip the cut in before placing it in the coco. I used some solid techniques but adapted them to the stuff I have available. If this does work out for me I may never go out and get rockwool cubes. I may however get some rooting hormone gel as it seems to speed the process.
kpac
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I'll always keep you informed on new secrets. - lol - In my opinion the more we all know the better medicine we all end up with in the future.
You can just use strait coco to root in you just need to keep the plant fastened in. I've rooted um was transplanting, touched it broke all the roots and turned around put it back in and did all over again still roots too. lol
You can just use strait coco to root in you just need to keep the plant fastened in. I've rooted um was transplanting, touched it broke all the roots and turned around put it back in and did all over again still roots too. lol
t0rn
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I couldn't have said it better myself man.
You know what, now that you said you pulled the roots out of the stem transplanting. I may have to find an easy way to get the plastic bottles off. A heated knife would probably do. Fuck it I guess, I may have wanted to reuse them, but it's just a small plastic bottle. Easily replaceable. As soon as I had it all finished I looked at them and said "well fuck me, how do I get you bitches back out?"
I think fimming has been the most nerve wracking though. Those are some delicate little parts. Getting JUST to the middle beginning node without cutting the 2 baby nodes next to it is hard.
420Marine
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Congrats bro..btw I"m getting my free nutes too from that youtube person...going to try the cloning stuff first.
kpac
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LMAO
Don't stress about it, if you mess it up - that topper will keep growing and the ones below it will catch up so you end up with three anyways. You cant really mess it up!!
And I use plastic bags almost like sandwich baggies - You could try a sandwich baggie with holes in it? Dude you can see the roots when they are ready for transplant.
Don't stress about it, if you mess it up - that topper will keep growing and the ones below it will catch up so you end up with three anyways. You cant really mess it up!!
And I use plastic bags almost like sandwich baggies - You could try a sandwich baggie with holes in it? Dude you can see the roots when they are ready for transplant.
t0rn
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Sandwich bags seem a little flimsy to me. I'm pretty clumsy so I'd fuck shit up. Got too drunk/high last night so I didn't update. Well, I tried but the screen was making me dizzy.
2 babys are popping their heads out now, pretty high hopes for a few more, but in all honesty some of the seeds were white/gray so I don't think they were mature seeds yet. We'll see. The newest one popped out and the seed casing was barely on there. Took it off to inspect how the seed looked. I was one of the darker striped/mottled ones, clearly a mature seed.
2 babys are popping their heads out now, pretty high hopes for a few more, but in all honesty some of the seeds were white/gray so I don't think they were mature seeds yet. We'll see. The newest one popped out and the seed casing was barely on there. Took it off to inspect how the seed looked. I was one of the darker striped/mottled ones, clearly a mature seed.
t0rn
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Ok, update time, shit's rolling smooth. I'm waiting on the clones to root, this is the third day since I took them and I'm not really expecting anything till about the 7th day.
First up is the Hog (topped):
Kryptonite (topped):
Romulan (topped): I think I'm going to leave this one natural in the future, notice the horizontal branching. I'm training the 2 topmost nodes to angle upwards.
Poison (FIMmed):
Panchota (seed): Sexy 7 fingered action going on, fat indica leaves.
First bagseed to pop its head out:
Clone dome with 8 clones and 7 seeds that haven't popped out yet.
First up is the Hog (topped):
Kryptonite (topped):
Romulan (topped): I think I'm going to leave this one natural in the future, notice the horizontal branching. I'm training the 2 topmost nodes to angle upwards.
Poison (FIMmed):
Panchota (seed): Sexy 7 fingered action going on, fat indica leaves.
First bagseed to pop its head out:
Clone dome with 8 clones and 7 seeds that haven't popped out yet.