Attention Atheist

420HAZE420 said:

Hey all you ignorant atheist out there, Ive tried getting an answer to my question on your athiest thread but all of you just answer with some nonsense that has nothing to prove or do with the situation.Anyway my question is if god is not the creator of the heavens and the earth & you dont believe scientist big bang, ice asteroid theory then how in the hell did everything come about?Do you seriously think that the universe just accidently created everything & everyone for no reason? You cant just ignore reality your whole life & if you can I feel terribly sorry that your children must be raised upon lies. and Please id love to hear your bullshit explanations

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I personally feel that Christianity and other religions are positive influences as they teach morals that people should live by on their own and not because a supreme power says so. I feel they are ways to simply inspire hope in those that lack it in themselves. I personally believe in what I do not like to call as a religion but I believe in the power of nature, as all remain in balance, which karma is part of. I believe in mother Earth who has always been and always will be. Even though our species is unraveling all the progress we have made as the children of today are losing respect for their elders and losing their connection to the one who provides us with life. Few respect her and few give back to her as many would rather pursue materialistic desires that only harm her. We have strayed away from the sacred path that many will not gladly go back to. It saddens me to see such but that is what I believe in. And to think I am very young but teach many things as this is no more than a tid bit of what I relay upon those willing to learn.

morgentaler said:

So your answer to not knowing the answers is to make up an invisible man in the sky who treats women like property, orders genocide and the rape of children, punishes people for not believing in him AFTER he has already stated that he has hidden himself from them, can't seem to make up his mind about things, yet says "I am the Lord, I change not", but he fucked things up so bad in the PR department he required a do-over

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actually it is people who has toyed with and changed around so much of the bible that it is not reliable anymore, it is great literature and provides a minor history

yet i feel it is only a source of hope, give back to mother earth and she will protect you

420HAZE420 said:

Hey all you ignorant atheist out there...

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I stopped reading right there.

First, if you are looking for advice do not insult the people you are seeking it from.

Second, Learn how to use manners in general, you will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Three, Atheist is plural in the context you are using it. (and we are the ignorant ones?)

Fourth, If you are in fact saying we are ignorant because we don't believe in a fantastical figure who is three people in one god and also has people eat him in cracker form? The same god who condones slavery, hatred towards gay people, and intolerance to women and sex? The same God who's story is identically similar to twelve different religious stories before him? Yeah... you are right, we are the ignorant ones.... my bad.

whats a person called who is just unsure about any of it who is to say 1 way or the other for sure idk maybe this planet just has the right stuff for life maybe theres a god maybe it was aliens maybe 2012 we will all find out i know i dont have an answer i know people got church i know they say the planet has been wiped out a number of times and always bounced back i know we had maps of the globe b4 people could fly above the earth to see it. i say believe in yourself and what you believe in and leave everyone else to theres and dont push yours on me

sven deisel said:

whats a person called who is just unsure about any of it who is to say 1 way or the other for sure idk maybe this planet just has the right stuff for life maybe theres a god maybe it was aliens maybe 2012 we will all find out i know i dont have an answer i know people got church i know they say the planet has been wiped out a number of times and always bounced back i know we had maps of the globe b4 people could fly above the earth to see it. i say believe in yourself and what you believe in and leave everyone else to theres and dont push yours on me

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You sir/mam are a agnostic. Someone who believe in something, but, they just don't know what.

sven deisel said:

whats a person called who is just unsure about any of it who is to say 1 way or the other for sure idk maybe this planet just has the right stuff for life maybe theres a god maybe it was aliens maybe 2012 we will all find out i know i dont have an answer i know people got church i know they say the planet has been wiped out a number of times and always bounced back i know we had maps of the globe b4 people could fly above the earth to see it. i say believe in yourself and what you believe in and leave everyone else to theres and dont push yours on me

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much of that is true and wise to say. for i feel you know somewhat of which i like to learn of, the past. just remember the only way to ever have true knowledge is to doubt all that you know and see what remains to stand. be careful who you trust and which side you are one when it all comes crashing down

sarah22 said:

i understand. but its one thing to "call bullshit" and a completely different thing to be discriminatory about it. you can civilly and diplomatically disagree with people, and debate them. anger doesnt need to be a part of it. rudeness and negativity doesnt need to be a part of it. educating people is one thing, but its completely unnecessary to be an ass about it. not that im accusing you of being an ass or anything, im just trying to say that "2 wrongs dont make a right" because they dont. they just make more wrongs.

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Go take a stroll through my atheist thread, I know you know these people simply can't be reasoned with, they can't be rationalized out of religion. There are multiple different foolproof designs in the very structure of religion that make it almost impossible to escape indoctrination. I'm not saying it's the only way, but it is effective. Put these people in a position where they're embarrassed to admit they believe such absurd notions. Did you see the presidential candidates during the primaries when they asked who believed in evolution? LMFAO! That single question alone says A LOT about someone. Those questions NEED to be asked, if it offends someone, sorry, I think it would benefit that person to gain a stronger ability to deflect such criticisms and not take it personally.

Religion, so long as someones belief affects my life has to be questioned, just like everything else.

i mean, just take your signature for an example. and i know that you likely didnt write it, but its a quote that you resonate with. i have faith. i dont believe in a god, i dont follow a religion, but i am a spiritual person and i have faith in the universe. I feel, definitely, and very strongly. but i DO NOT neglect thought. i am a pretty intelligent individual, some would call me gifted or a genius. so its a really inaccurate phrase to accuse all that have faith of not being thinkers. assumptions are detrimental to our communication.

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My sig doesn't apply to you. I have faith too. Faith in humanity, in science and medicine, in a lot of things. The quote only applies to the fundie retards that believe in blue eyed blond haired Jebus and spout the OT when condemning gays but only accept the NT when they eat seafood or work on Sunday. That goes for any post I make regarding believers. I realize they are a small minority of people who believe, but significant enough to make a huge difference as that's what they are "fundies" - fanatics. They're willing to do everything it takes, lying, cheating, stealing, killing, anything, to get what they think is the right policy approved - shit like "abstinence only!" - "Condoms SPREAD AIDS!" - "everyone against America is a TERRORIST!" ... etc. All that Christian right wing bullshit still going today. The vast majority of believers are peaceful loving individuals just like myself, who really don't give a fuck about most of it, they just believe whatever based on reasons I don't care to discuss because it's none of my fucking business why someone believes something so long as it doesn't make my ability to believer whatever the fuck I want to believe any harder. Which is really the point. It's because people DO WANT TO push their beliefs onto me, they think my beliefs (because I don't believe in the same retarded shit they do) will influence other people (especially since I'm so outspoken with all this bullshit) and threaten their whole system. With laws and western society and especially with the internet, they have to just sit there and take it. We don't have to be quiet anymore and we don't have to respect something that doesn't respect us, or humanity - something that actually says humanity is guilty from the beginning, we're dirty and need to be cleansed. Disgusting shit - why would anyone respect it? Excuse the rant, I'm reeeally baked right now... that's just the way I see things.

So tell me that, why should I respect it? Does it deserve it? Has religion earned it's due respect?

420HAZE420 said:

Anyway my question is if god is not the creator of the heavens and the earth & you dont believe scientist big bang, ice asteroid theory then how in the hell did everything come about?Do you seriously think that the universe just accidently created everything & everyone for no reason? You cant just ignore reality your whole life & if you can I feel terribly sorry that your children must be raised upon lies. and Please id love to hear your bullshit explanations

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What is so wrong with not knowing?...Making up a magical "reality" is WORSE than ignoring it! I too feel sorry for my children being raised upon lies, for I let my parents take my kids to church when they were the most vulnerable to suggestion...now they are a bit confused.

I was thinking the other day...I SEE chemtrails crisscross the sky from horizon to horizon almost daily...the majority of people in San Diego county believe in a god they have never seen or heard...AND I AM THE CRAZY ONE!!!!

420HAZE420 said:

Remember judgement day

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What...did we miss it????

Philly_Buddah said:

The Circle of Life...

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Hakuna Matata!

MexicanWarlord420 said:

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Harry Potter?

MexicanWarlord420 said:

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Christians think dinosaur fossils were put on earth to test their faith.... Athiests know dinosaur fossils are over 230 million years old by carbon dating... they also know that the mountain range in your picture took over 6500 (earth's approximate age according to the bible) years to be formed by the collision of tectonic plates... not that they just happened by chance one day.

PadawanBater said:

Yes, I'll discriminate against anyone who openly chooses to believe such bullshit. I don't choose to believe in gravity, if I don't, it affects me all the same. People who actively choose to believe in what organized religions are pushing are dangerous to society. We tell them that, they understand it (though they don't agree with it, only the other religions are dangerous ...)

They don't deserve respect.

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See here's your problem. I do not, and WILL not ever force my religion on ANYBODY! If they ask then fine, I'll talk about it. But I would never try to force someone to believe what I believe. And I would NEVER look down on someone for what they DO believe, reguardless of my beliefs! I CHOOSE to hang out with people of all nationality, all race, and all religion. Just because someone believe's different than me doesn't change anything at all! I'll still call them my buddie, and hang with them whenever.

Yes, even you 'PadawanBater' I'd love it if you'd come over and smoke a bowl and kick it..... But from the sounds of it YOU wouldn't be down for such a thing... Would you?... I can't imagion you wanting to hang out and smoke a bowl with a "fundie retard that believe in blue eyed blond haired Jebus "... lol, because I do... Let me know if your down tho! I'll always be down! Shit, we can even smoke my home grown at my place! Sarah on the other hand sounds like she'd be dow for a smoke session!.. Yea? lol

You've got to realize that I can believe and trust in God without getting sucked into the cult that is Sunday Morning Church... I don't go to church, But I'm still a christian! I just haven't gotten pulled into the 'church' cult. Not that all churches are this way, but I won't deny that alot are.

All I'm saying is who cares, or why does it matter who's right and wrong... At least I'm a nice human being to other human beings... Weather they believe what I do or not, I still treat everybody with the same amount of respect. Unlike you sir. You need to become an adult.

-Hookd

i am SO happy haze 420 left for a while so you could all have an intelligent conversation with each other. the point ive been trying to make is there is no way hes going to change our minds with his ignorance, and especially not to people over the internet who have already made up their minds and ESPECIALLY with such an abrasive and closed minded attitude

where does he get off calling atheists ignorant? most of us are VERY well informed and know all about religions and know they are either hookey BS or its just not for us.

I love the comedy/irony of that de-motivational poster.

Atheists think this just appeared one day.... yet if you believe the bible, it was not one, it was 6 days and then that wizard rested. Because you know, if i was a great all powerful being that could make entire universes, life from nothing, etc I would need to rest. (rolls eyes).

HookdOnChronics said:

See here's your problem. I do not, and WILL not ever force my religion on ANYBODY! If they ask then fine, I'll talk about it. But I would never try to force someone to believe what I believe. And I would NEVER look down on someone for what they DO believe, reguardless of my beliefs! I CHOOSE to hang out with people of all nationality, all race, and all religion. Just because someone believe's different than me doesn't change anything at all! I'll still call them my buddie, and hang with them whenever.

Yes, even you 'PadawanBater' I'd love it if you'd come over and smoke a bowl and kick it..... But from the sounds of it YOU wouldn't be down for such a thing... Would you?... I can't imagion you wanting to hang out and smoke a bowl with a "fundie retard that believe in blue eyed blond haired Jebus "... lol, because I do... Let me know if your down tho! I'll always be down! Shit, we can even smoke my home grown at my place! Sarah on the other hand sounds like she'd be dow for a smoke session!.. Yea? lol

You've got to realize that I can believe and trust in God without getting sucked into the cult that is Sunday Morning Church... I don't go to church, But I'm still a christian! I just haven't gotten pulled into the 'church' cult. Not that all churches are this way, but I won't deny that alot are.

All I'm saying is who cares, or why does it matter who's right and wrong... At least I'm a nice human being to other human beings... Weather they believe what I do or not, I still treat everybody with the same amount of respect. Unlike you sir. You need to become an adult.

-Hookd

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i like your style hooked, your the kind of christian i could get allong with. i have one little comment ive always made that might make you rethink your image of jesus.

assuming there was a jesus who performed miracles and all that stuff; how many white, blue eyed jewish people were walking around the middle east 2000 years ago?

this is not to say its impossible, i just find it verrrry unlikely

that being said, i totally agree with most of what youve said, namely your last paragraph

KaleoXxX said:

i am SO happy haze 420 left for a while so you could all have an intelligent conversation with each other. the point ive been trying to make is there is no way hes going to change our minds with his ignorance, and especially not to people over the internet who have already made up their minds and ESPECIALLY with such an abrasive and closed minded attitude

where does he get off calling atheists ignorant? most of us are VERY well informed and know all about religions and know they are either hookey BS or its just not for us.

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Agreed.... I mean seriously, if you are going to approach a group of people in an argumentative context, you at least need to know what their claims are and not the BS information on athiesm you read off a pro-creation website.

Dont you know God created us because he wanted someone to worship Him [dont we all?]. If we dont do it well enough He is going to send us to a very nasty place for ever and ever. So even tho He is loving and says we should be forgiving kiss his.......[does He have one?]
WARNING; My imaginary all powerful being can kick your imaginary all powerful being's ass!

Moobyghost said:

I love the comedy/irony of that de-motivational poster.

Atheists think this just appeared one day.... yet if you believe the bible, it was not one, it was 6 days and then that wizard rested. Because you know, if i was a great all powerful being that could make entire universes, life from nothing, etc I would need to rest. (rolls eyes).

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haha yeah, and he needs your money!

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420HAZE420 said:

Hey all you ignorant atheist out there, Ive tried getting an answer to my question on your athiest thread but all of you just answer with some nonsense that has nothing to prove or do with the situation.Anyway my question is if god is not the creator of the heavens and the earth & you dont believe scientist big bang, ice asteroid theory then how in the hell did everything come about?Do you seriously think that the universe just accidently created everything & everyone for no reason? You cant just ignore reality your whole life & if you can I feel terribly sorry that your children must be raised upon lies. and Please id love to hear your bullshit explanations

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I have answered you ... many times with the TRUTH. You just don't like the answer.

What is the answer?

The answer is "I don't know".

It's okay to not know. It is far better then simply making it all up.

end of argument, george carlin can end this debate better than any of us

why is god so bad with money anyways? lol