Bernie Sanders 2020

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
No evidence. Hillary Clinton's campaign did nothing wrong or unethical by bailing out the bankrupt DNC. Bernie Sanders benefited from her doing so. There is not factual basis for claiming Clinton used the DNC to rig the election. Not only did Bernie's hacker steal files from Clinton using this system but he also did not pay for using it as he had agreed. He is slime.

If you still want to argue over this post a link that contains contains factual evidence that Hillary Clinton rigged the election. I can list your innuendos:
DNC was bailed out by Clinton, a debate question was leaked, back office hacks in the DNC didn't like Bernie and you guys -- they said so in e-mails. None of this is evidence that Clinton stole the election from Bernie. Cl

I can show you this but it gets in the way of your feelings so I already know you can't accept it as fact.

Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged

www.politico.com

Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged

She also addressed reports she had sought to replace Hillary Clinton with Joe Biden.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

The words are: no evidence.

It is too bad that this conflicts with your belief but that's how it goes. Bernie lost by a whopping large margin that was mostly driven by 80% of the black vote given to Clinton. Also 70% of the Hispanic vote. Also 55% of women Your theory of "rigged" depends on the assumption that minority and women voters are more gullible than you Bernie Bros. It is an odious theory and it is a bad look for Bernie's support.
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www.politico.com

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

The sad part is, she probably didn't even need to rig it to win
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Are you talking about Bernie's votes that he made when he tagged along with what Democrats managed to get passed? He didn't actually do anything other than occupy a seat in the Senate. He could have voted with Republicans, I guess. Is that what you are praising him for? Not voting with Republicans?
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It's interesting to watch you deny reality

The problem Biden has is not many people actually like him or his policies. They like that he was Barack Obama's VP, and they like and have fond memories of Obama. The contrast between him and Sanders is night and day. Everybody likes Sanders because of the policies he espouses and his commitment to them. They believe he's honest, even his detractors. His grassroots movement is second to none. The only people that don't like Sanders are other politicians whose political strategy has been exposed by the success of Sanders' movement and the media organizations and pundits that have helped prop up bad politicians because it was good for business. And bitter people like you who would ultimately be proven wrong were he to become president.

That's about 2% of the population
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
They've tried. They've failed. Look at his past statements all you want, he's been consistent for 40 years. Look at his voting record, people like it.

That's why Trump doesn't want to debate him
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Trump* can't even read- he did nothing but bitch about how laborious language was when the Constitution was written, when they filmed the documentary of elected officials, reading passages of it.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
It's interesting to watch you deny reality

The problem Biden has is not many people actually like him or his policies. They like that he was Barack Obama's VP, and they like and have fond memories of Obama. The contrast between him and Sanders is night and day. Everybody likes Sanders because of the policies he espouses and his commitment to them. They believe he's honest, even his detractors. His grassroots movement is second to none. The only people that don't like Sanders are other politicians whose political strategy has been exposed by the success of Sanders' movement and the media organizations and pundits that have helped prop up bad politicians because it was good for business. And bitter people like you who would ultimately be proven wrong were he to become president.

That's about 2% of the population
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+rep:clap:

it's how he was raised to think, unfortunately..the stinkin' thinkin' of old family customs and half-truths handed down generationally.
 
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Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
www.politico.com

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

The sad part is, she probably didn't even need to rig it to win
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I read this a while ago but because I asked, and you posted it, I re-read it to check. Do you have better, because this article says the opposite of what you claim.

Donna Brazille does not say Hillary rigged the election in that article. She later followed up with the statement I already posted but will post again:

Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged

www.politico.com

Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged

She also addressed reports she had sought to replace Hillary Clinton with Joe Biden.
www.politico.com www.politico.com


Hillary Clinton bailed out a bankrupt DNC. She did this behind closed doors because it would have been a scandal and affected any Democratic candidate's chances to win in the fall, including hers. You are jumping to a conclusion that is not substantiated. The opposite is what is substantiated. I get that you confuse your personal belief and feelings for facts. This is well known.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Did Hillary Clinton and her campaign "like" Trump when they suggested propping him up in internal emails because they thought he would be the easiest to defeat?

This is one of those talking points that show you to be a dishonest actor about the facts of reality
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Your belief isn't substantiated by facts. Mine are. I'm sorry that you can't accept this but it's about your feelings and I can't help you.

I'll post it again. Maybe if I use a color and font you like, then you will be able to read it:
Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged
 
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schuylaar

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A sign of the times..The World is Out of Sorts and you made it this way rightie..dad, a construction worker, is complaining about his leftist son, 32, who still lives home and only works part time in this Super Bowl commercial teaser.


keep rolling your eyes; we've only just begun.
 
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Fogdog

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^^Oh gawd,

Here comes the obnoxious Bernie Bro propaganda videos. They can't mount a factual argument so they start with the videos.

It's like the slasher flick where at some point, one person in a group suggests they part ways and go down different corridors. Such predictable drama.
The polls say it's an even chance for Bernie to win. Bernie Bros claim this means victory is nigh. When Bernie loses -- there is at least an even chance that he will -- Bernie Bros will claim rigged.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I read this a while ago but because I asked, and you posted it, I re-read it to check. Do you have better, because this article says the opposite of what you claim.

Donna Brazille does not say Hillary rigged the election in that article.
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How is controlling the organization responsible for electing the Democratic nominee and giving debate questions ahead of time to candidates not tilting the election in their favor? Why is it in the DNCs own charter that employees remain neutral?

"Shortly into the hearing, DNC attorneys claim Article V, Section 4 of the DNC Charter—stipulating that the DNC chair and their staff must ensure neutrality in the Democratic presidential primaries—is “a discretionary rule that it didn’t need to adopt to begin with.” Based on this assumption, DNC attorneys assert that the court cannot interpret, claim, or rule on anything associated with whether the DNC remains neutral in their presidential primaries.

The attorneys representing the DNC have previously argued that Sanders supporters knew the primaries were rigged, therefore annulling any potential accountability the DNC may have. In the latest hearing, they doubled down on this argument: “The Court would have to find that people who fervently supported Bernie Sanders and who purportedly didn’t know that this favoritism was going on would have not given to Mr. Sanders, to Senator Sanders, if they had known that there was this purported favoritism.”

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Shua1991

Shua1991

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hanimmal said:
It's the disregarding of Russian/Foreign military being used to amplify Bernie's chances that I dislike the most about them. If more of them would stand up against the obvious trolls for Bernie I would have more respect for his 'base'.
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Fogdog said:
Bernie's got a good chance alright.

Will you vote for Biden if he wins the nomination?
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probably not considering his chances.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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It's substantiated by Sanders current position in the polls and the attempt by party handlers to do anything they can to foil it, including changing the debate rules mid-primary to allow Michael Bloomberg to buy his way onto the debate stage

If what you claim is true, Sanders would not be poised to take Iowa and New Hampshire and likely win the primary. The only thing you can hope for is that it goes to a brokered convention. Otherwise, Sanders is going to win, and your favored candidate is going to endorse him. Bitter be bitter all you want. Sanders will win without your vote.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
How is controlling the organization responsible for electing the Democratic nominee and giving debate questions ahead of time to candidates not tilting the election in their favor? Why is it in the DNCs own charter that employees remain neutral?

"Shortly into the hearing, DNC attorneys claim Article V, Section 4 of the DNC Charter—stipulating that the DNC chair and their staff must ensure neutrality in the Democratic presidential primaries—is “a discretionary rule that it didn’t need to adopt to begin with.” Based on this assumption, DNC attorneys assert that the court cannot interpret, claim, or rule on anything associated with whether the DNC remains neutral in their presidential primaries.

The attorneys representing the DNC have previously argued that Sanders supporters knew the primaries were rigged, therefore annulling any potential accountability the DNC may have. In the latest hearing, they doubled down on this argument: “The Court would have to find that people who fervently supported Bernie Sanders and who purportedly didn’t know that this favoritism was going on would have not given to Mr. Sanders, to Senator Sanders, if they had known that there was this purported favoritism.”

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What part of this do you not understand?
Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
How is controlling the organization responsible for electing the Democratic nominee and giving debate questions ahead of time to candidates not tilting the election in their favor? Why is it in the DNCs own charter that employees remain neutral?

"Shortly into the hearing, DNC attorneys claim Article V, Section 4 of the DNC Charter—stipulating that the DNC chair and their staff must ensure neutrality in the Democratic presidential primaries—is “a discretionary rule that it didn’t need to adopt to begin with.” Based on this assumption, DNC attorneys assert that the court cannot interpret, claim, or rule on anything associated with whether the DNC remains neutral in their presidential primaries.

The attorneys representing the DNC have previously argued that Sanders supporters knew the primaries were rigged, therefore annulling any potential accountability the DNC may have. In the latest hearing, they doubled down on this argument: “The Court would have to find that people who fervently supported Bernie Sanders and who purportedly didn’t know that this favoritism was going on would have not given to Mr. Sanders, to Senator Sanders, if they had known that there was this purported favoritism.”

Observer
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okay so the left is gaslighting now, too?
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
It's substantiated by Sanders current position in the polls and the attempt by party handlers to do anything they can to foil it, including changing the debate rules mid-primary to allow Michael Bloomberg to buy his way onto the debate stage

If what you claim is true, Sanders would not be poised to take Iowa and New Hampshire and likely win the primary. The only thing you can hope for is that it goes to a brokered convention. Otherwise, Sanders is going to win, and your favored candidate is going to endorse him. Bitter be bitter all you want. Sanders will win without your vote.
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this is not just about Sanders and the DNC anymore..the candidates that were locked out of debate due to ever changing the goal posts to mold the election with candidates they wish? they're going to have a bunch of lawsuits, especially from harris who's a prosecutor and complained about this..same with buttigieg- they're pissed.
 
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