Holy OverFed Cannabis Batman! (Or: Watering is not the #1 Newbie Problem)

Douglas.Curtis

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Your images are everywhere bro but none of your methods...hmm...oh wait they are all in your book which you're totally not pushing anywhere online except everywhere you post.
I just got here. My methods run contrary to what the majority of growers believe.

You're really going to cap on me because I didn't start a bunch of threads with all my info? It's a chore just keeping up with a few threads on this. I do have a life. lol
 

Cyrus420

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I just got here. My methods run contrary to what the majority of growers believe.

You're really going to cap on me because I didn't start a bunch of threads with all my info? It's a chore just keeping up with a few threads on this. I do have a life. lol
No every site your images can be found are you copying and pasting the same image with the same message pushing your book.

Can you post a picture of your garden? Show me where your plants are growing, not another copy pasted close up of your weed with way too much jpeg.
 

calliandra

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The thing is, cannabis is capable of absorbing much higher quantities of some elements than we 'as smoking humans' really want for quality. In short, the cannabis plant absorbs more than it needs for superior smoking quality.

I guess you could say you have to limit cannabis to only being able to absorb nutrients for a quality product, not everything it will willing absorb and retain.

Does that make more sense?
Indeed, that does. :)
Because it explains your point of departure and assumptions.
You're a control freak - and I'm an emulator, we have fundamentally different approaches :P

I'd like to read up on the accumulator thing though, can you link me something?
thanks :bigjoint:
 

whitebb2727

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He is not a fraud, I have met and smoked with Douglas and ya remember that Pink Kush I grew? It was him that gifted it to me. You may not agree with his presentation but he knows his stuff. He has an edge over most growers because he is hyper sensitive to things, give him a bud with pesticides or crap and he'll know right away and it is what he has had to learn about growing because of this that he is tryin to share.

I was tryin to stay outta it but couldn't any longer 8)
That may be the truth.

He claims to want to help newbs. All he did was hand a new hunter a loaded gun and told them where the deer were at.

I said its conjecture and it is. I'm not disagreeing with the info. Its incomplete and a blanket statement.
 

Grandaddy7

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Man as a person in OP's target audience (a thread in newbie central addressed to noobs) Douglas came off pretty cool to me. He clearly knows his stuff and he's sharing a little insight that is widely overlooked. He has introduced me into a few new concepts that I honestly do not come across in the average journal or thread.

You guys are cannabis growers attacking each other. I thought we'd all be a little more mature and accepting.

If you don't agree with his statements don't just say that and attack him without bringing your own information. You are giving him shit for lack of info? Well you just joined the thread and complained and added nothing. So much of the information those people are complaining about were actually explained or they could have looked up a term themselves. Like he said he has a life and he's an experienced grower. Where is he going to get pictures of his plants at different stages of stress when he understandably wants to keep them all as healthy as possible. Ridicuous, sorry you had to deal with them. I couldn't sit back any longer. Also you are giving him shit for promoting a book on other sites that he made? Ya that is like how it works...

I appreciate the effort Doughlas for trying to teach us something. I'll definitely take this knowledge and improve my plants. Sure others will too.
 
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Douglas.Curtis

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No every site your images can be found are you copying and pasting the same image with the same message pushing your book.

Can you post a picture of your garden? Show me where your plants are growing, not another copy pasted close up of your weed with way too much jpeg.
Look at the dates on the other sites. I'm following about 6 threads across 3 sites right now. All in the last what, 2 weeks?

I just picked up a nice camera 6 months ago and took a few photos. I've never been in the habit of photographing my grows but I'm definitely going to change that. I've been busy with other things and only have a couple plants in veg right now. Have to wait.
 

Cyrus420

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Man as a person in OP's target audience (a thread in newbie central addressed to noobs) Douglas came off pretty cool to me. He clearly knows his stuff and he's sharing a little insight that is widely overlooked. He has introduced me into a few new concepts that I honestly do not come across in the average journal or thread.

You guys are cannabis growers attacking each other. I thought we'd all be a little more mature and accepting.

If you don't agree with his statements don't just say that and attack him without bringing your own information. You are giving him shit for lack of info? Well you just joined the thread and complained and added nothing. So much of the information those people are complaining about were actually explained or they could have looked up a term themselves. Like he said he has a life and he's an experienced grower. Where is he going to get pictures of his plants at different stages of stress when he understandably wants to keep them all as healthy as possible. Ridicuous, sorry you had to deal with them. I couldn't sit back any longer.

I appreciate the effort Doughlas for trying to teach us something. I'll definitely take this knowledge and improve my plants. Sure others will too.
He says he wants to dispell information by substituting his own personal information. There is nothing wrong with that but when he claims it's the best way, the cleanest way, that his is better blah blah blah without actually going into any real specific details about his grow, nor has he posted any actual pictures of his grows, then how is he currently any different than the other uncited resources he wants to dispell? Until he can prove his results I'm in doubt and it bothers me that he is so dismissive without providing actual proof. We're not attacking him just calling bullshit and we want OP to actual put up the game he is talking himself up to be.
 

Douglas.Curtis

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Indeed, that does. :)
Because it explains your point of departure and assumptions.
You're a control freak - and I'm an emulator, we have fundamentally different approaches :P
I understand, I'm coming from the point of extreme quality and extreme sensitivity.
I'd like to read up on the accumulator thing though, can you link me something?
thanks :bigjoint:
As you can imagine, there's very little. I remember the cadmium
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1026113905129
https://www.google.com/search?q=cannabis+accumlate+cadmium&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

The silica and potassium info comes from the tobacco industry. Cannabis behaves nearly the same in that respect.

Here's one on using cannabis sativa to pull heavy metals from soils.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235884/
"High values of Cd accumulation achieved cannot be explained exclusively by passive ion uptake. Immobilization, by binding to the cell walls, is thought to play a minor role"
 

Cyrus420

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Look at the dates on the other sites. I'm following about 6 threads across 3 sites right now. All in the last what, 2 weeks?

I just picked up a nice camera 6 months ago and took a few photos. I've never been in the habit of photographing my grows but I'm definitely going to change that. I've been busy with other things and only have a couple plants in veg right now. Have to wait.
I want to know how you got eight years of solid research behind you but yet you haven't taken pictures of your grows. It's not like digital cameras didn't exist then.
 

Douglas.Curtis

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I want to know how you got eight years of solid research behind you but yet you haven't taken pictures of your grows. It's not like digital cameras didn't exist then.
I don't work in photos?
I originally began growing 15+ years ago in nevada, not a state you want to take photos in. I then moved to areas of Cali where it also would not be good to post photos. I guess I never really got out of the habit?

Life is strange, I roll with it.
 

Douglas.Curtis

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I appreciate the effort Doughlas for trying to teach us something. I'll definitely take this knowledge and improve my plants. Sure others will too.
Much appreciated. Be sure to post the results. ;)
People finding out the info seriously upgraded their flower quality will get it out the quickest. I'm really going for the long haul. I know there will be growers that come across this and truly benefit from it, it will just take time.

It did with me. lol
 

calliandra

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I understand, I'm coming from the point of extreme quality and extreme sensitivity.

As you can imagine, there's very little. I remember the cadmium
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1026113905129
https://www.google.com/search?q=cannabis+accumlate+cadmium&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

The silica and potassium info comes from the tobacco industry. Cannabis behaves nearly the same in that respect.

Here's one on using cannabis sativa to pull heavy metals from soils.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4235884/
"High values of Cd accumulation achieved cannot be explained exclusively by passive ion uptake. Immobilization, by binding to the cell walls, is thought to play a minor role"
Yeah it seems most of the texts focus on studies that have been done for viability of cannabis as a soil sanitizer for nickel, lead and cadmium, and that they found the plant does grow under such conditions / have a readiness to take these up. Not relevant when growing in living soil with good base material, which won't have elevated levels of any of these ;)

As for elevated silica and potassium levels in the smoke, yes interesting. From this perspective, I can understand you would want to avoid feeding the plant too much (which becomes visible in darkened leaves). Still not necessarily relevant for plants growing in living soil, and I say this just based on logic.
Your approach makes use of the fact that plants can be force fed nutrients directly - and thus the danger arises of overfeeding. There is little microbial life in the substrate in use, the plant has no choice and its selection system is ineffective.
In living soil, the plant's ability to select nutrients by means of exudate secretion kicks in fully and it gets exactly what it needs to grow its best. When people do interfere, it is not to feed the plant, but to feed the soil life which will then feed the plant - whatever it "says" it needs. Personally I haven't ever seen a plant in well-managed living soil with the kind of darkened leaves I have seen on "bottled nute" grows.
Yeah those guys really should watch out more! :bigjoint:
 
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dannyboy602

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Ok so I have a question...U said there is no way to flush out nutrients from overfed plants. I am wondering if, and because we know that N is a mobile element in plants, is it possible to prune away too-green leaves, clawed leaves and save a plant from toxic excess? Sounds feasible, yes?
 

Douglas.Curtis

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Yeah it seems most of the texts focus on studies that have been done for viability of cannabis as a soil sanitizer for nickel, lead and cadmium, and that they found the plant does grow under such conditions / have a readiness to take these up. Not relevant when growing in living soil with good base material, which won't have elevated levels of any of these ;)
They may contain elevated levels (for cannabis anyway) of other elements. This pattern of behavior points to the plant being capable of doing the same with other elements, not just heavy metals. "Outside the ionic uptake"

As for elevated silica and potassium levels in the smoke, yes interesting. From this perspective, I can understand you would want to avoid feeding the plant too much (which becomes visible in darkened leaves). Still not necessarily relevant for plants growing in living soil, and I say this just based on logic.
What happens when you amend the soil with too much silica? You have to use a grinder and the end smoke is hotter. In an organic environment, cannabis will happily absorb more silica than humans prefer for smoking.

Perhaps the potassium is responsible for some of the darkened color, I know nitrogen is overused quite a bit and can lead to confusion. A mix with excessive nitrogen will go a darker green color, at a faster rate, as you apply more amendment/nutrients.


Dark, dark green plants are most commonly seen in the organic grows. I, personally (and this is from several states and a huge number of different sources and growers) have never had high quality from dark green cannabis, organic or not. 30+ years now. The darker the green, the lower the potency and aroma, and definitely flavor.
 

Douglas.Curtis

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Ok so I have a question...U said there is no way to flush out nutrients from overfed plants. I am wondering if, and because we know that N is a mobile element in plants, is it possible to prune away too-green leaves, clawed leaves and save a plant from toxic excess? Sounds feasible, yes?
Removing leaves would further reduce the need for nutrients and slow transpiration. Not really something I'd recommend, probably have poor results. I really have no experience with it though.
 

Cyrus420

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I'm willing to accept that @Douglas.Curtis knows what he is doing and don't doubt that he may know how to grow some good weed but really some of ya'll are as easily swayed as the people Curtis claims to be dispelling of information.

You haven't given us anything ground breaking I'm truly waiting for the real information or a grow journal or something to pop up. I truly and earnestly want to see legit detailed information from you not just snippets of common knowledge wrapped up in scientific sophistry. Why can't you just provide that? It seems you have every excuse in the book besides "come visit me" to actually put up and show us this amazing weed you're growing but you post the same picture over and over.

I'm done exasperating myself on this one. If you all want to be lead astray by another "professional" be my guest I'll be over here growing the weed and actually learning, not pretending to do eight years of research not documenting any of it then showing up out of the blue with wild claims as to how good of a grower I am and how amazing my weed is. Snobby growers like you put a sour taste in my mouth no matter how polite you are about it. I doubt even if your shit was the best I'd be able to enjoy it around you if you're as big as blow hard irl as you are on here.
 

714steadyeddie

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I'm willing to accept that @Douglas.Curtis knows what he is doing and don't doubt that he may know how to grow some good weed but really some of ya'll are as easily swayed as the people Curtis claims to be dispelling of information.

You haven't given us anything ground breaking I'm truly waiting for the real information or a grow journal or something to pop up. I truly and earnestly want to see legit detailed information from you not just snippets of common knowledge wrapped up in scientific sophistry. Why can't you just provide that? It seems you have every excuse in the book besides "come visit me" to actually put up and show us this amazing weed you're growing but you post the same picture over and over.

I'm done exasperating myself on this one. If you all want to be lead astray by another "professional" be my guest I'll be over here growing the weed and actually learning, not pretending to do eight years of research not documenting any of it then showing up out of the blue with wild claims as to how good of a grower I am and how amazing my weed is. Snobby growers like you put a sour taste in my mouth no matter how polite you are about it. I doubt even if your shit was the best I'd be able to enjoy it around you if you're as big as blow hard irl as you are on here.
He doesn't have to prove shit to anyone, especially not you. You swear like your opinion or validation have any weight around here. All OP was doing was sharing some info take it or leave it.

Get off his D!ck
 

dannyboy602

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I've always thought Cannabis did better w less. Give it a little too much and you end up with a mess.
@Douglas.Curtis ...just write a book...it'll give u instant credibility. Posting here only gives u a headache.
Not to mention your thread, unless its stickied, will be history in a day.
 
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