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Canna Sylvan said:

It's funny AC doesn't realize he's a Marxist.

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You buffoons keep repeating this over and over, but in fact, you don't even understand what libertarian socialism means.

I'm an anarchist, not a Marxist. I'm not an authoritarian socialist. I'm not into a dictator of the proletariat.

I may be somewhat of a utopian though. I can dig that moniker.

abandonconflict said:

You buffoons keep repeating this over and over, but in fact, you don't even understand what libertarian socialism means.

I'm an anarchist, not a Marxist. I'm not an authoritarian socialist. I'm not into a dictator of the proletariat.

I may be somewhat of a utopian though. I can dig that moniker.

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Libertarian Socialism is an oxymoron. The people (through socialism) can't give the individual, liberty.

abandonconflict said:

You buffoons keep repeating this over and over, but in fact, you don't even understand what libertarian socialism means.

I'm an anarchist, not a Marxist. I'm not an authoritarian socialist. I'm not into a dictator of the proletariat.

I may be somewhat of a utopian though. I can dig that moniker.

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still having trouble with the old English language ehh?

MARX WAS A UTOPIAN

in the Manifesto he explicitly states his goal is the DEATH OF THE STATE and the evolution of the human condition beyond the state, into a utopian dream world which is indistinguishable from the utopian dream world of the anarcho-______________ist peabrains who believe that human nature will suddenly change, allowing them to live in a global peaceful Smurf Village

Yes, end-state communism was stateless and classless in Marx's utopia.

If you read his books instead of some Cliff Notes, you'll know how he envisioned this utopia would be achieved.

Canna Sylvan said:

Libertarian Socialism is an oxymoron.

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Nope. Wrong again pea-brain.

Libertarian simply means with out a state.

abandonconflict said:

Yes, end-state communism was stateless and classless in Marx's utopia.

If you read his books instead of some Cliff Notes, you'll know how he envisioned this utopia would be achieved.

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Envisioning isn't the same as reality. In the real world, people will always laugh at his ideas such a utopia will come about. You have the same utopian dream Marx did, but you think it can come about without Marx's steps.

abandonconflict said:

Yes, end-state communism was stateless and classless in Marx's utopia.

If you read his books instead of some Cliff Notes, you'll know how he envisioned this utopia would be achieved.

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yep. the ends justified the means, and the end was the utopian dreamworld to which you aspire.

trotsky was also a marxist, however he was opposed to the bolshevik and stalinist plan of communism by way of oppression. this is part of the reason trotsky was airbrushed out of marxist history, and died with an icepick in his ear.
che guevarra was also a marxist,, but he LOVED the idea of compulsory marxism for everyone
pol pot was also a marxist, but he was the kind of marxist that made stalin blush with shame
mussolini was also a marxist,, who believed marxism should spread slowly with stealth, rather than by fire and sword

i have no idea what kind of marxist you REALLY are, because you are highly averse to Truth. for all i know you may actually be a zappatista insurgent planning to blow up el presidente's limo.
nobody can be sure, since you tell so many falsehoods.
perhaps you dont even know yourself.

Canna Sylvan said:

Envisioning isn't the same as reality. In the real world, people will always laugh at his ideas such a utopia will come about. You have the same utopian dream Marx did, but you think it can come about without Marx's steps.

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Yet you think capitalism will bring you liberty. You're a dystopian.

Dr Kynes said:

mussolini was also a marxist.

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and you say I'm averse to truth

Paint chips are not edible.

abandonconflict said:

and you say I'm averse to truth

Paint chips are not edible.

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mussolini was in fact one of the leaders of the communist movement, a contemporary of marx, and based his fascist ideas on the marx platform, while adopting a "third Way" of acheiving the same ends.

mussolini WAS a marxist, and pretending otherwise is just silly.

you may as well claim baptists arent christians because they disagree with the catholics, or shiiyes arent moslems because the sunnis think they are apostates.

Dr Kynes said:

mussolini was in fact one of the leaders of the communist movement.

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Keep em coming, this is hilarious.

FYI one of the first things he did when he gained power was to outlaw labor strikes.

Please continue though, this shit is quite entertaining for my boring Friday night.

abandonconflict said:

Nope. Wrong again pea-brain.

Libertarian simply means with out a state.

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Nope, sorry. You can't just redefine words, then get mad when people don't know WTF you're talking about.

Libertarian means rule according to natural laws. This means there's still a state, but only used with minimal interference as necessary to provide the people to live as individuals but still be able to interact as a people.

Life without a state, is anarchism. That's totally different, and unless you use magic hocus pocus, it can only exist up to a point when it breaks down into chaos or transforms into a state like entity. So unless your idea of chaos is cool, we must accept the state is a given. But, natural laws, even though they can suck for some when the shit hits the fan, is better than unfair to some who we a society pick, socialism.

I want those who fuck up to get the unfair stick. Why should I get beat with the unfair stick, just because others force me to choose for the good of the many? It should be my decision to pick something and I fail.

abandonconflict said:

FYI one of the first things he did when he gained power was to outlaw labor strikes.

Please continue though, this shit is quite entertaining for my boring Friday night.

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stalin also prohibited labour strikes. was stalin not a marxist either?

some days you really do just make yourself look like a fool

http://libcom.org/history/strikes-against-stalin-1930s-russia-jeffrey-rossman

http://books.google.com/books/about/Worker_Resistance_Under_Stalin.html?id=X09ZuZG_JNwC

Canna Sylvan said:

You can't just redefine words

Libertarian means rule according to natural laws.

Life without a state, is anarchism.

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Cool story bro.

I already told you what Libertarian means, and I'm aware that it means something else in America.

Anarchism means no rulers. That is different from no state. Anarchism is a form of libertarianism, but not all libertarianism is anarchist. Libertarian capitalism aka voluntaryism is not anarchist.

abandonconflict said:

Cool story bro.

I already told you what Libertarian means, and I'm aware that it means something else in America.

Anarchism means no rulers. That is different from no state. Anarchism is a form of libertarianism, but not all libertarianism is anarchist. Libertarian capitalism aka voluntaryism is not anarchist.

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Libertarian from the Latin word liberalis, and the definition I just gave you is according to Roman philosophical thought. You can't change the meanings of words and expect people to understand you.

Libertarianism how "I" define it, yet you seem to think is only an American bastardization, comes from Zeno of Citium, ~300 BC. Then in about 150 AD, Marcus Aurelius introduced Zeno's teachings to the Romans. That trumps your claim Libertarianism came from the 17th century European age of enlightenment.

Again, duh, libertarianism isn't anarchism. There's already a definition for a word which anarchism describes. Libertarianism doesn't describe anarchism. What it does describe is a way of life where the state does minimal interference. If you want to live without capitalism, libertarian thought says go ahead and try, but if you fail, tough shit.

There is no libertarian "capitalism." What happens is, capitalism and libertarianism happen to work nicely together. If I can live without capitalism, good for me. If I want to participate in a capitalist endeavor, that's my choice too.

Canna Sylvan said:

That trumps your claim Libertarianism came from the 17th century European age of enlightenment.

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Did I claim this? I wasn't aware I did.

So according to your definition from the Roman empire, Liberalism and libtard and librul also spring forth from this ancient Roman liberalis concept.

You're confusing etymology with political philosophy.

Zeno was a stoic, not a capitalist, moron.

abandonconflict said:

Did I claim this? I wasn't aware I did.

So according to your definition from the Roman empire, Liberalism and libtard and librul also spring forth from this ancient Roman liberalis concept.

You're confusing etymology with political philosophy.

Zeno was a stoic, not a capitalist, moron.

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When did I ever say Zeno was a capitalist? Do you have a non-verbal language learning disorder? That's very correct, libertarianism comes from stoic thought. But it doesn't come whatsoever from socialism. Stoic thought deals with natural law, and when imported from greek philosophy became Roman libertarian thought.

"There is no libertarian "capitalism." What happens is, capitalism and libertarianism happen to work nicely together. If I can live without capitalism, good for me. If I want to participate in a capitalist endeavor, that's my choice too."

I thought this was a cool article.

"Others have accused Marcus Aurelius of harboring ulterior “Machiavellian” motives such as social control by way of a “religion” which encourages people to accept things such as they are. The more they do this the less trouble they are likely to give an Emperor. Marx, for one was no great fan of Stoicism. But those who hold such view are mostly social activists who put the cart before the horse and begin with praxis rather than with theory and give a prognosis before arriving at a diagnosis."

http://www.ovimagazine.com/art/3246

That's you.

Canna Sylvan said:

What happens is, capitalism and libertarianism happen to work nicely together.

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Actually, capitalism leads invariably to statism since the state exists to protect private property. Furthermore, you ought to study stoicism a bit more if you think that capitalism would be compatible with the core tenet of stoicism, that to live in accordance with nature is the highest form of morality. That makes stoicism and capitalism pretty much mutually exclusive.

LIBERTARIAN CAPITALISM is in no way, shape or form related to stoicism.

abandonconflict said:

Actually, capitalism leads invariably to statism since the state exists to protect private property. Furthermore, you ought to study stoicism a bit more if you think that capitalism would be compatible with the core tenet of stoicism, that to live in accordance with nature is the highest form of morality. That makes stoicism and capitalism pretty much mutually exclusive.

LIBERTARIAN CAPITALISM is in no way, shape or form related to stoicism.

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I remember reading this article. I was going to state something similar, but the original is better than anything I can come up with. I'm a humble capitalist.

"The popular image of the capitalist as a man lusting to spend his money in new and gratifying ways is ripe for revision. The true capitalist is a Stoic, willing to deny himself virtually every luxury and even, at times, necessities, in order to accomplish a major investment or to hold his industry or business together against a running tide of competitive forces and hostile regulative measures. Without a compelling urgency toward frugality, thrift and endurance, modern capitalism could never have been born."

http://fair-use.org/rampart-journal/1965/03/the-stoic-virtues