Injunction stays as the original order

WHATFG · Jan 3, 2015

westcoast420 said:
"The reason for seeking the adjournment is because the Smith case ,the BC extracts case in which Kirk Tousaw who is helping in this case is lead counsel, that will consider the same or substantially similar issues ,is now to be heard in the Supreme Court of Canada on March 20th with various due dates during the time set for this case and I am also being asked to help in that case.
It does not make sense for us to proceed in a trial court when the same or similar issues will be considered and decided soon by our highest court for the first time that will provide guidance on the law and maybe the evidence in this lower court case.It will hopefully help define the issues in this case and maybe reduce the court time costs etc
If adjourned we will seek to vary the injunction some way to allow for address changes pending trial. If we do not get the adjournment we will try and call the evidence of the problems experienced by many on this issue since and how they remain in a Parker situation of having to choose between their liberty and their health.We will call the evdence we tried to introduce in the Court of Appeal."

And who are you with respect to these court dates?

ttystikk · Jan 3, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
We, as medical users can kill the cultivation laws by open defiance. If everybody just grew what they used for medicine the cops and courts would get tired of arresting and trying cases doomed to fail real quick. The setback is the legal costs for the patients who get to go first. I know section 7 of the charter is used as an argument, but I have a different angle of the Charter and I wonder why it hasn't been used. I'd have to look up the exact wording, but it basically says that "the law must be demonstratively justified in a free and democratic society" . If almost 3/4 of society disagrees with that law, does an arrest under it not violate ones rights?

This sounds very promising.

Sandy420 · Jan 3, 2015

WHATFG said:
And who are you with respect to these court dates?

That blurb appears to be from John Concroy and was posted on his Facebook page.

bigmanc · Jan 3, 2015

Is this a sign of weekness or just law manipulation? aka buying more time cause they think we will loose or actually using the SC case to set prescidence for the allard case?

doingdishes · Jan 3, 2015

how in the world does the edibles case have anything to do with us being able to get licensed to produce for ourselves, move addresses...or fight the MMPR? i really don't see the angle

westcoast420 · Jan 3, 2015

The cases overlap, Kirk and conroy are working on both cases. The smith case is in Supreme Court so I believe that if they get a win in that case it would only bolster the case for allard. These are both big cases so having them going at the same time would be very difficult. In terms of changing addresses, if i needed to move I would do it and send the info to hc and save a copy for yourself. Then if something happened you have proof you notified hc. I know of several people that have done this already. Just because you move doesn't mean u loose your right to possess or produce meds.

VIANARCHRIS · Jan 4, 2015

ttystikk said:
Agreed on the marijuana is like grapefruit analogy.

Just don't think the actual practitioners of medicine- the doctors, nurses and the like- want to see marijuana stay illegal. Damn near all of them I've spoken to (all in Colorado, so they need not fear persecution for their opinions) said that the sooner it's legal the better!

They aren't big fans of dabs tho- it's tough on the lungs, and producing it is causing these same professionals to see a spike in burn victims- including innocent ones. They are NOT fans of that.

They'd really prefer to see their patients eat pot, and many here will say so on hospital letterhead. Makes getting an extended plant count easier than rolling a joint.

That's a good argument for a large plant count, but the medical practitioners are misguided about eating vs. smoking. Eating it is infinitely better for you than smoking, but almost every prescribed drug has a negative side effect. Eating mj exclusively doesn't do it for me, sometimes I need instant relief. When I used to see a doctor, he had me on pain killers and ssri's, said I would need them for life...at the expense of my liver and heart. The anti-smoking sentiment is front and centre among everyone in healthcare...it doesn't register that even in the inhaled form it is still safer than pills.

VIANARCHRIS · Jan 4, 2015

westcoast420 said:
The cases overlap, Kirk and conroy are working on both cases. The smith case is in Supreme Court so I believe that if they get a win in that case it would only bolster the case for allard. These are both big cases so having them going at the same time would be very difficult. In terms of changing addresses, if i needed to move I would do it and send the info to hc and save a copy for yourself. Then if something happened you have proof you notified hc. I know of several people that have done this already. Just because you move doesn't mean u loose your right to possess or produce meds.

I am moving my garden in a week. I debated informing HC and decided against it. Straight up, I don't trust them. If there is an issue, I'll argue my case to a judge. I can provide evidence that they have exposed my personal information before...! The new garden location was already a medical grow so as long as I keep at or under my plant count and none gets sold, I shouldn't have an issue.

bigmanc · Jan 4, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
I am moving my garden in a week. I debated informing HC and decided against it. Straight up, I don't trust them. If there is an issue, I'll argue my case to a judge. I can provide evidence that they have exposed my personal information before...! The new garden location was already a medical grow so as long as I keep at or under my plant count and none gets sold, I shouldn't have an issue.

yup exactly, make sure everything is up to code, nice and tidy, no smell and your golden. Those basterds in Ottawa won't give us a thing, address change or script limits. If they cared they would show it not threatening me with police and kitty litter.

doingdishes · Jan 4, 2015

VIANARCHRIS said:
I am moving my garden in a week. I debated informing HC and decided against it. Straight up, I don't trust them. If there is an issue, I'll argue my case to a judge. I can provide evidence that they have exposed my personal information before...! The new garden location was already a medical grow so as long as I keep at or under my plant count and none gets sold, I shouldn't have an issue.

if only i could get my new DG to agree to this, i would be in heaven. he said unless he has the pink piece of paper, no go. i am sad about it but i see his point. he doesn't want the hassle or expense...sigh

VIANARCHRIS · Jan 4, 2015

doingdishes said:
if only i could get my new DG to agree to this, i would be in heaven. he said unless he has the pink piece of paper, no go. i am sad about it but i see his point. he doesn't want the hassle or expense...sigh

I see his/her concern. I have a ppl so the risk is all on me.

cannadan · Jan 4, 2015

its completely unacceptable..that people with legitimate medical needs are being put in this kind of position
in the first place.....how many hoops does someone who is crippled or ill need to jump thru...??
to advocate for their own healthcare...

doingdishes · Jan 4, 2015

agreed! its ridiculous that we have to argue common sense

bigmanc · Jan 4, 2015

doingdishes said:
agreed! its ridiculous that we have to argue common sense

:/ your DG wont do that? it is a risk i sapose

doingdishes · Jan 4, 2015

if he gets pinched, what can or will he say? then the cops say "sure sure" & then it's off to the lawyers....then our money goes there instead of meds

bigmanc · Jan 4, 2015

doingdishes said:
if he gets pinched, what can or will he say? then the cops say "sure sure" & then it's off to the lawyers....then our money goes there instead of meds

i see the point, shitty man...grow yourself?

doingdishes · Jan 4, 2015

bigmanc said:
i see the point, shitty man...grow yourself?

if only i had the room

bigmanc · Jan 4, 2015

doingdishes said:
if only i had the room

closet? spare room? basement? garage? shed? cupboards?

everyone has the room for a couple PC cases worst case

doingdishes · Jan 4, 2015

bigmanc said:
closet? spare room? basement? garage? shed? cupboards?

everyone has the room for a couple PC cases worst case

cupboards...that would be great but little plants...haha
where i live, it wouldn't be allowed as the Board does yearly inspections etc.....since I am on the BOD, that would be REALLY bad

bigmanc · Jan 4, 2015

A double dresser would be good..its your own property, hang your clothes instead. Do a sea of green with 1ft plants and a 250w/400w. i say you pull 4-8ounces a cycle.

I feel you should consider yourself before criticism. At the end of the day the only person that gives a shit about your health or you in general is yourself and your partner. Nobody goes to bed thinking "i wonder how doingdishs is feeling?, wonder if he/she is ok..." unfortunate but true.

I hope you decide to take it into your own hands, good luck.

Injunction stays as the original order

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