"Purity tests"
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blu3bird
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Sen. Bernard “Bernie” Sanders [I-VT]’s 2017 legislative statistics.
Ranked most politically left compared to Serving 10+ Years, and other 2017 legislative statistics
www.govtrack.us
does that make sense to you, sister golden hair?
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Padawanbater2
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That's interesting when we all agree American laws have legalized bribery
Are you content with legalized bribery?
Unclebaldrick
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Do you really think your two favorite tactics of distraction and restating others' words in ways that they did not mean work in your pompous debate style? If so, you must have most of your discourse with children or idiots.
Padawanbater2
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Hanimmal said he was content with the way the current American laws work in regards to corruption. Current American corruption laws allow legal bribery; that is, anybody can form a SuperPAC and donate anything they want, effectively subverting FEC cap donations and rendering that organization feckless.
Apparenntly you're OK with that, too. You support legal bribery so long as it helps you.
To people like you, this is exactly why bribery exists; because the people in charge support it when it helps them. They only complain when it affects them negatively. They have no principle about it.
hanimmal
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I dont agree with your ideological absolute position. And guess what, this does not mean that I agree with Citizens United. There is room inbetween the extremes.
And what you do is create an environment of you vs them, there is no reason for this.
Padawanbater2
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Then how do you justify Citizens United?
Illustrate the room in between those positions
hanimmal
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I dont. We need to get 60 Democrats in the Senate, win the House and the Presidency to overturn it. Unfortunately the 2 years the Democrats had that they were forced to right the economy the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda drove into the ground. Obama spent the rest of his political juice to get the ACA through to get 92% of Americans access to healthcare (outside of the emergancy room) the highest level ever. Then the Republicans lost there shit and all of the online attacks on Obama with the Tea Party effectively ended his ability to legislate.
Notice too, as much as Trump has pissed and moaned, the Democrats in the last year have passed what 400 pieces of bi-partisan legislation? The Republicans don't work for anyone but their small constituency.
Edit: And unfortunantly the Republicans have railroaded the Democrats once again and they have to fix the Russian election interference fuckery, try to fix the mess on the Border due to Trump's racist agenda, and fix our global alliances, and who knows what else before they can get to American dark money in politics.
Padawanbater2
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Yes you do. We need 60 Democrats in the Senate, yet you utilize Republican talking points to get them. There is no point to getting 60 votes if you have to kowtow to corporate interests to get them.
hanimmal
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American people work for and own those corporations, they are not the enemy. Democrats legislate for all of America not just special interests like the Republican party is.
Padawanbater2
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The people who work for those corporations aren't the ones making the decisions. The Republicans you oppose are.
You shouldn't try to use them as a scapegoat
hanimmal
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I am not. I am pointing out that you should not treat/talk about them like they are the enemy.
Padawanbater2
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I haven't. You're trying to convolute the issue and change the subject away from owners to workers
Workers are right, owners are wrong
Convolute that
hanimmal
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Owners are not wrong. Without people busting their asses to build their businesses those workers would not have that job. Demonizing them is not the way to help our nations prosperity.
Padawanbater2
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...when they provide enough compensation for their workers to survive. They're not wrong..
Absent of that, they are wrong. If an employer pays their employees less than required to survive, , their business is wrong, and their business should not exist
hanimmal
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IMO every worker deserves to get a job that their family can survive on, this doesn't mean every job should be forced to pay that much money for work that is not meant to be a career.
Communist Dreamer
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Spoken as a true Libertarian®.
doublejj
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vote republicans out...
Fogdog
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did you know that the last time the Senate held a vote to repeal the Citizens's United ruling, a ruling that opened the doors to today's unrestricted campaign donations, every Democratic Senator voted to support restricting campaign donations and every Republican voted against them?
Every Democratic Senator put their name in the Congressional record as an opponent to the Citizen's United ruling.
Vote Republican out.
Also, Bernie sucks. Because he's a do-nothing senator, not because he's against unlimited campaign donations. His record is just like every Democrat in that regard.
