The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

As a black American I think I can say that the civil rights change has brought about improvement for my way of life...I like being able to go anywhere and not have somebody try to tell me to leave because of the color of my skin..and believe me most bigoted bastards will let you know how they stand...its not hard to see who they are ..not hard at all..but hey what do I know I only have to had experience it...
 
londonfog said:
As a black American I think I can say that the civil rights change has brought about improvement for my way of life...I like being able to go anywhere and not have somebody try to tell me to leave because of the color of my skin..and believe me most bigoted bastards will let you know how they stand...its not hard to see who they are ..not hard at all..but hey what do I know I only have to had experience it...
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i'm sorry that you've had to deal with that. i have a little experience with racism myself. Different, but similar i would think. And those that discriminated against me did so under the protection of the Civil Rights act.
 
budlover13 said:
i'm sorry that you've had to deal with that. i have a little experience with racism myself. Different, but similar i would think. And those that discriminated against me did so under the protection of the Civil Rights act.
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I didn't say that for any kind of empathy...I feel sorry for the people who have to live a life full of hate and ignorance...Heck I'm doing pretty damn good in life, so it does not matter how some fools think and behave as long as they don't try to hurt me or mind or try to take away my freedom to go into any public business to, shop, eat,sleep, or what ever...but as you know Ron Paul feels its the owners right to be able to do just that if he /she so choose...
 
NoDrama said:
So the answer was, no you don't have foster children, no you don't work at food kitchens, no you don't tithe, no you don't give to a church(Your wife might, but you don't), you give clothes (good for you ) but I bet you take a tax credit out of it too. As far as charities, you didn't mention anything, just that you contribute to so many you can't even begin to count. Which kind of begs the question, Just how high can you count? Personally, I can count to infinity if given enough time, I wasn't aware that some people were limited in the addition power of the number one. Are you limited by tolanges enumeration? About the only reason I wouldn't be able to start is if the number were ZERO.

Looks like i was right at least 3 out of the 5 guesses, and most probably correct 4 of the 5, which is a pretty good guesstimate.

Try things like St Judes, Arbor-day Foundation, The hunger project etc etc and stop trying to take credit for that 12 cents you threw into the Salvation army Bucket this last Christmas and those Over Priced Girl Scout Cookies your neighbors daughter conned you into buying.

Its Great that you take other peoples clothing and give it to charity though, its very similar to what the government does, but I wonder how the people who were relieved of their clothing felt.

Anyway I'm not trying to "Get to you". not ever, i'm just trying to get you to see it from another point of view is all.

Giving your wife money to give to the church is not even somewhat remotely the same as you giving to the church, so don't even try to take credit for what is admittedly a choice made by your wife.


I have been to three interviews in my entire life, never once wore a suit. I wasn't aware you couldn't go to a interview without one.

anyway, if you really do give to a bunch of worthy charities (The "help John Doe beat cancer" jars at the local watering hole doesn't count either) kudos for you.
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ROFL guy you have no idea about me..so I'm suppose to list my charities to impress some INTERNET guy ...WTF..If I didn't want my wife to give OUR money it wouldn't be given...Now could I do more...Hell yes...always feel I could..but I could never knowingly not help someone when I could have as Carthoris thinks...passing a bleeding person on the street and saying I'm not hurting him I'm just not helping him..WTF...I know me you don't so I will leave it at that....nice try
 
ron paul 2012: bringing the conversation 50 years backwards!

ron paul 2012: let the kids fend for themselves!

ron paul 2012: i don't have sex with turtles, i really don't!
 
Mr Neutron said:
"They must find it difficult… Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority."
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Let me add on:

For the opposition:

Winston Churchill said:
“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”
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For the RP supporters:

Winston Churchill said:
“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense”
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and for the historians....

Winston Churchill said:
“There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true."
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Winston Churchill said:
“History is written by the victors.”
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budlover13 said:
Has the violence/hatred gone down or just underground?
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Violence is violence. They aren't hanging people underground as far as I know. Black Americans have access to goods and services they did not under segregation.

That is what i'm saying. Underground is where i most often find it. Hidden behind lies and false adherence to the Civil Rights act or legislation. It just allows the majority to fuck the minority any way they can as long as they hide it.
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I agree that people are more likely to be closet racists than they were before segregation. I disagree that this is a bad thing. Not spreading their racism publicly along with increased interaction with other races will end racism eventually. It'll take generations, but it will happen and I do believe we are making progress.

Just be honest with me. You hate blacks(not YOU)? Then SAY SO so i can know where you stand. Don't slight them within the law and then say you are treating them equal.
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Not dignifying that with a serious response.
 
Dan Kone said:
Violence is violence. They aren't hanging people underground as far as I know. Black Americans have access to goods and services they did not under segregation.



I agree that people are more likely to be closet racists than they were before segregation. I disagree that this is a bad thing. Not spreading their racism publicly along with increased interaction with other races will end racism eventually. It'll take generations, but it will happen and I do believe we are making progress.



Not dignifying that with a serious response.
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So you don't like to hear people be honest with you? i simply make the statement that i would rather KNOW that one is racist than to hear him say he's not but continue the problem.
 
Dan Kone said:
That is correct. Nor should we try. What we can do is ensure equal access to American society. The civil rights act has been quite successful at improving that situation for black Americans.



Well since segregation has ended lynchings seem to be down. The idea segregation would reduce hatred and violence is lol.



Well you're missing a key variable in the equation here. A lot of hate comes from fear and ignorance of the unknown. If you isolate the groups so they never interact that will increase hate, not reduce it. It's going to take a long time to end racism, but America as a country is doing a really fucking good job of that. Think of where we were 50 years ago and look at where we are now. We've made huge progress. Reversing that progress is not a good idea IMO.
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We were still accusing people of being witches in the 1700s and trying them for it. Hell, we were executing people for it right up to the 1700s. There is no one here whose ancestors weren't doing something wrong at some point in history. Things will linger, but only time will heal the divisions. Desegregation did have the beneficial effect of forcing whites and blacks to get to know each other better, however, the cultures are still separate. I was talking to some of my younger family members(young teen) and asking them questions to see if they had ever been treated differently by anyone or if anyone had said anything to them about being a minority. They hadn't. I did not grow up in a racist generation, and the young people coming after me aren't either. The only people I see being discriminated against are the Spanish people, and that is mostly because they don't speak English.

My point was, we move on from things, and the only people who even remember those things are the people who lived in those times. To the people in the now and today they are history, just like Rome- whether it be burning witches, keeping slaves, or Nazi Germany. WW2 was 70 years ago, and you meet very few people who were a part of it. In another 20-50 years, the people who grew up in the turbulent time that the civil rights were a part of will be dead and gone. The people who are teaching their kids to be racist are just as stupid as the people teaching their kids that white people are holding them down - it is because they are both living in an ignorant past and refuse to accept the future.
 
Dan Kone said:
Rhetoric is a poor substitute for reality - Dan Kone
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Glad that won't be repeated beyond this forum.

Those who forget the past, are condemned to repeat it. To ignore what was said by past leaders is forgetting history. Perhaps the people in our past who have led our nations through adversity to the likes we haven't seen in a long time, perhaps these people are those we should be listening to and be making comparisons to reality.

The really sad thing is how once you responded with that, londonfog removed his like on that post. Despite my posting that merely to inspire the people of this forum....
 
sync0s said:
Glad that won't be repeated beyond this forum.

Those who forget the past, are condemned to repeat it. To ignore what was said by past leaders is forgetting history. Perhaps the people in our past who have led our nations through adversity to the likes we haven't seen in a long time, perhaps these people are those we should be listening to and be making comparisons to reality.

The really sad thing is how once you responded with that, londonfog removed his like on that post. Despite my posting that merely to inspire the people of this forum....
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at my first read, while outdoors with the grill, I did like it ..for I loved the quotes from Churchill and respect the man himself, but after I sat down and I re-read it and realize how you single out everyone who opposes your views as not listening and Ron Paul supporters as champions that should never give in, I unliked it...hope your feelings did not get hurt...Maybe you should have just used the quotes without trying to put blame on one group and championing another....just because I don't agree with you does not mean that I didn't listen to you and that I lack courage...I do listen and will listen which lets me know if I should agree or not...Dan had nothing to do with me unliking....its how you used the quote to lay blame on one group..still like the qoutes..just don't agree with how you used it...
 
londonfog said:
at my first read, while outdoors with the grill, I did like it ..for I loved the quotes from Churchill and respect the man himself, but after I sat down and I re-read it and realize how you single out everyone who opposes your views as not listening and Ron Paul supporters as champions that should never give in, I unliked it...hope your feelings did not get hurt...Maybe you should have just used the quotes without trying to put blame on one group and championing another....just because I don't agree with you does not mean that I didn't listen to you and that I lack courage...I do listen and will listen which lets me know if I should agree or not...Dan had nothing to do with me unliking....its how you used the quote to lay blame on one group..still like the qoutes..just don't agree with how you used it...
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Apparently you only read the end of the quote from Churchill that I pointed out towards those who oppose RP. I never said RP supporters are champions or even intended that kind of a view, either. The reason I posted that quote is because of the constant attacks on RP supporters in this thread by you and UB.

I assumed you did because of the relative timing of removal compared to when he posted. No harm intended to any group by any of the above posts. :)
 
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