Obama couldn't of done it any other year. Maybe this is Ron Paul's year.
The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2
- Thread starter deprave
- Start date
I would never support outlawing abortion for the same reason as you stated. Ron Paul would just take the federal government out of the equation since the federal government has no right to approve or disapprove of abortion.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
state-approved extremism is somehow better than federally-approved extremism?
what if all 50 states toed the ron paul line?
Thats a state issue, bring it up with your state law makers, has ZERO to do with Mr Paul.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
yes, i get it. ron paul is your MESSIAH.
have you even looked at post ejaculation hematuria? it is shitty stuff, and i'd welcome it back if ron paul would just go away.
not that the squirrely old geezer has a chance in hell anyway.
many of the early presidents. dunno if thats too early before the "industrial revolution" but the question is a bit loaded. How many other countries have governments like ours.
following the Consitution you mean? Only a douchebag thinks personal responsibility is extreme. STFU
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
nope. i know it is not my breath because i brushed my teeth earlier today. afterward, i slammed down a few natty ices and smoked a bowl. then i ate a bacon cheeseburger. currently, my breath smells of meat and beer, as it should.
what part of restricting my wife from making decision about her health falls under personal responsibility?
if anything, that seems to be taking responsibility away from her, albeit on a state level rather than federal.
what smells like baby powder and denture adhesive?
the more local the easier it is to change
Do you actually think abortion would become illegal again? As much as I am pro life all that would accomplish is make it more dangerous to the woman who want them.
You treat the cause, not the symptom.
I told you its your breath from talking out your ass.
loquacious
Well-Known Member
Ron Paul is an idiot and will never be president! So, give up and try to make a real difference in the world!
deprave
New Member
Not so fast Guys!
In the newest Gallup poll, DR RON PAUL IS LEADING IN THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLICAN VOTERS. (I'm not so shocked)
It has been said that whoever wins the next election will have to win the INDEPENDENTS.
Scroll down a little. It's the third poll from the top.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147806/Ro...ield-2012.aspx
Romney's Support Varies by Education
Romney's appeal is much greater among college graduates (25%) than nongraduates (13%). Palin, meanwhile, fares better among nongraduates (18%) than college graduates (8%). The remaining candidates have fairly similar support by education.
Romney and Palin generally do better among conservatives than liberals and moderates. Paul is competitive with Romney and Palin for the top spot among liberals and moderates, though even combined, these groups make up a much smaller segment of the Republican base than conservatives do.
Further evidence that Paul's support generally lies outside the Republican mainstream is that Republican-leaning independents are twice as likely to support him as are those who identify outright as Republicans. Romney and Palin lead among the larger group of Republican identifiers.
Romney is the leading candidate among churchgoing Republicans, at 19%. Among Republicans who identify as Protestant or some other Christian religion (other than Catholic or Mormon), his support is 15%, tying him with Palin as the leader among that group. This is notable given that some think Romney's Mormon faith could hurt his support among Protestants.
Support for Republican Nominee, by Subgroup, May 20-24, 2011
In the short term, Romney and Palin seem to have benefited most from several prominent potential Republican candidates' decisions not to run for president. Should Palin follow suit and not enter the race, Romney would be the clear front-runner, but arguably the weakest front-runner in any recent Republican nomination campaign.
Now to go check on the Independent Democrats... lawl
WHOS IT GUNNA BE FLIP FLOPER HEALTHCARE "SOCIALIST" BOY - SARAH EFFIN PALIN - OR RON PAUL - GIVE ME A BREAK - The Ron Paul Revolution is just getting started.
In the newest Gallup poll, DR RON PAUL IS LEADING IN THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLICAN VOTERS. (I'm not so shocked)
It has been said that whoever wins the next election will have to win the INDEPENDENTS.
Scroll down a little. It's the third poll from the top.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147806/Ro...ield-2012.aspx
Romney's Support Varies by Education
Romney's appeal is much greater among college graduates (25%) than nongraduates (13%). Palin, meanwhile, fares better among nongraduates (18%) than college graduates (8%). The remaining candidates have fairly similar support by education.
Romney and Palin generally do better among conservatives than liberals and moderates. Paul is competitive with Romney and Palin for the top spot among liberals and moderates, though even combined, these groups make up a much smaller segment of the Republican base than conservatives do.
Further evidence that Paul's support generally lies outside the Republican mainstream is that Republican-leaning independents are twice as likely to support him as are those who identify outright as Republicans. Romney and Palin lead among the larger group of Republican identifiers.
Romney is the leading candidate among churchgoing Republicans, at 19%. Among Republicans who identify as Protestant or some other Christian religion (other than Catholic or Mormon), his support is 15%, tying him with Palin as the leader among that group. This is notable given that some think Romney's Mormon faith could hurt his support among Protestants.
Support for Republican Nominee, by Subgroup, May 20-24, 2011
In the short term, Romney and Palin seem to have benefited most from several prominent potential Republican candidates' decisions not to run for president. Should Palin follow suit and not enter the race, Romney would be the clear front-runner, but arguably the weakest front-runner in any recent Republican nomination campaign.
Now to go check on the Independent Democrats... lawl
WHOS IT GUNNA BE FLIP FLOPER HEALTHCARE "SOCIALIST" BOY - SARAH EFFIN PALIN - OR RON PAUL - GIVE ME A BREAK - The Ron Paul Revolution is just getting started.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
although i am happy to see that you have pondered the consequences of making abortion illegal, i am dismayed that you use the same old tired argument that others do when they can't argue the stance of pseudo-libertarian ron paul.
"do you really think he would make abortion illegal?"
my answer: probably not. but we voted in a whole bunch of righties to supposedly "create jobs". what have they done? taken progressive (regressive) measures to make abortions tougher and tougher to obtain, primarily. why would i consider supporting someone who will help them along the way, who has the power to appoint SCOTUS judges, etc etc etc?
i assure you, it is not my breath that smells like old people.
deprave
New Member
Anti-War Radio interviewed Ron Paul today here is the audio:
Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) discusses the two competing bills on Libya – Dennis Kucinich’s legally binding demand for withdrawal and John Boehner’s nonbinding suggestion that Obama seek Congress’s approval, eventually; the rising antiwar sentiment among Americans, reflected but not necessarily shared by their representatives in Congress; why the new 2011 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran should be declassified; the unyielding US foothold in Iraq; and the Fed bailout money that went to foreign banks, plus more shenanigans blacked out in the Fed’s document dump.
MP3 here. (10:47)
Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) discusses the two competing bills on Libya – Dennis Kucinich’s legally binding demand for withdrawal and John Boehner’s nonbinding suggestion that Obama seek Congress’s approval, eventually; the rising antiwar sentiment among Americans, reflected but not necessarily shared by their representatives in Congress; why the new 2011 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran should be declassified; the unyielding US foothold in Iraq; and the Fed bailout money that went to foreign banks, plus more shenanigans blacked out in the Fed’s document dump.
MP3 here. (10:47)
The federal government has no rights over abortion. I'm unsure what the problem is? Do I agree with Roe vs Wade in its outcome? Yes. Do I agree with Roe vs Wade in what it basically made up to accomplish the end? No. The constitution does not give the federal government rights as far as abortion is concerned. I suppose they could just step in and say "Well, its interstate commerce, we have jurisdiction since it involves people who might buy stuff from other states eventually" lol. To say the 14th amendment allows abortion but not marijuana, heroin, anal sex, and a host of other things shows that the court is not ruling correctly on the matter. The 9th amendment argument that the lower courts held was even weaker, some nonsense about slavery.
Keep in mind that I am a firm believer that a woman should have the right to have an abortion if she chooses. I have the right to disapprove, but not the right to stop them from doing it. I find it to be a horrible act that I am sure causes immense pain to many women for the rest of their lives. It isn't exactly like popping a pimple. I would go to a rally to promote pro-choice though. I would never support public funds going to give abortions.
State extremism as long as it doesn't go against the constitution is a state matter. I would imagine that many state constitutions would protect abortions. If they do extreme things, then the people in that state will vote to fix the problem. People from states that outlaw abortions would just go to the next state. Kind of like dry counties.
It isn't an issue of right or wrong. It is an issue of liberty and whether the federal government is granted the power to regulate abortions as per the constitution.
Just gotta say something crazy cuz just blazed a bunch of sativa so here it goes:
If the federal goverment has the right to decide when life ends and begins, its can lead to what is basically population control, like china
Maybe they will vote that people over the age of 60 aren't really alive anymore and make SSI viable again. Or perhaps that wards of the state are no longer alive and that aborting them isn't an issue. The federal government doesn't seem to have any limit on its powers.
Similar threads
