Dan Kone
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Actually, not true. Most support it. There is just a vocal minority strongly opposing it.
Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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Actually, not true. Most support it. There is just a vocal minority strongly opposing it.
10jed
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For the record, my lawyer wants $200 for an opinon and I don't have the scratch. I kinda thought he would hook me up but I gues not. Maybe someone else can get it done though.
Word on the street is that Dennis Peron, the original author of 215, is now supporting Prop19.
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Dan Kone
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What? Really? That seems really odd to me. Last time I saw him he was VERY pissed at Rich Lee. But that was a while ago. If you find any info on this please let me know. Although he's probably not being very talkative right now considering that he just got raided.
AbsoluteChron
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I personally feel like the medical movement is preferable to outright legalization. I want quality cannabis that was grown by someone that intends on smoking it themselves, not a commercial grow operation working for the highest profit margin. I do not want to see marijuana become a commodity. I really appreciate the nuances of different strains and grow qualities. I hope I never see the day when there are packs of Marlboro joints at my local 7Eleven.
Dan Kone
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What makes you think it will be that way? Strains are one of the most marketable qualities of cannabis. Corporate types love that. If anything, there will be more strains.
Penni Walli
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im voting yes on prop 19, of course its about big buissness getting wealthy and greed, but so what ??? every single thing in this world is regulated by big buissness and u expect weed not to be ? the only people not supporting this Prop are people intending to sell weed, which i dont blame you, your competition will be against big buisness and the cost to obtain a license to sell is very high. Im just a smoker, so prop 19 benefits me, i cant complain at lower prices and i cant complain that i can finally smoke in peace w/o looking behind my back. You guys have a hippie dream that will never come true, but at least this is moving in the right steps for smokers, maybe not dealers, but smokers yes.
Dan Kone
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If prop 19 passes I'm intending to sell weed legally, and I support prop 19. I welcome competition from big business because I believe I can put out a superior product. Sure, it won't be in the same quantities that they can, but as long as someone can put out a superior product there will always be a market for that.
Penni Walli
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yup i agree with what your saying, and if prop 19 passes i will support mom and pop shops over big business any day, and i think true herb smokers who have a taste for delicacies will always buy through mom and pop shops too.
Dan Kone
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That's exactly why people shouldn't fear phillip Morris or Richard Lee doing massive scale corporate grows. If you see their mass produced schwagg or bomb locally grow shit you'd probably rather have the locally grown shit. As long as it's a better product, even if it is more expensive people will buy it. I've spend a lot of time in dispensaries and I know for a fact that most people who go into those places prefer quality over low price.
Maui Waui
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Thats not true, the fine you are talking about is purchasing cannabis for minors and the penalty for doing so will be increased from a 100$ fine to 1000$ fine in order to make sure people under the age of 18 cant posses it.
The only problem here is that (Under this new law) mom and pop grows (over 25 square feet, or 5x5) would be ILLEGAL unless they had a commercial license, provided by your city/county IF they decide to give them out.
If they do, they will probably follow Oaklands model and issue very few (Oakland is going to issue 4) and charge a LOT (Oakland is going to charge $30k PER YEAR to have a license)
So what does this mean? Under this law, BIG BUISNESS will be the ONLY ones growing(commercially) from here on out. No more small business providing medicine. You can produce for your self only, and again has to be 25 square feet or smaller.
So good old Richard Lee was doing all us pot users a favor donating over a mil of his money? Its looking to be more of an investment. What a joke.
Dan Kone
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Or you have your 215. That doesn't change.
I've already talked to my county board of supervisors and they've already said they will not do anything like what is going on in Oakland. They are only going to let mom and pop operations go. So no, what you said is all speculation. Not every city/county will be like Oakland.
In regards to possecion and amounts you can grow this bill WILL superseed prop 215
"Cultivation is one such law that is noticeably non-exempt.[17] In spite of the fact that the tax cannabis Web site says otherwise, the only medical marijuana exemptions that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative actually makes are with regard to possession, consumption and purchase limits, which only ensure that patients would still be allowed to buy medicine at dispensaries. The word “cultivate” is conspicuously absent. Whereas today a person with a doctor’s recommendation has the right to grow up to an unlimited number of plants, the initiative would drastically reduce that number to whatever can fit in a 5’x5’ footprint (around 3-6 plants—per property, not per person). This will force many patients to resort to buying instead of growing their own medicine, because of the inconvenience caused by producing multiple grows a year rather than growing a year’s supply of medicine at one time, as many patients currently do outdoors. And growing indoors—which typically requires special grow lights, an increase in hydro use, and a lot of time and attention—is a comparatively expensive endeavor."
Which means I can NOT(with or without a Drs Recomendation) grow more then a 5x5 (25 square foot) area.
And if I do, patient or not, I will be going to jail.
And the only way around this? No problem, just go get a license from your city/county.
ANY city county that does give these out, will charge money for them. There will be NO way around this.
Oakland is one of the most progressive city when it comes to pot, look at their model. 30k!!!! PER YEAR!!!!!!
I beleive that this law is written to eradicate small business from the pot industry.
"Cultivation is one such law that is noticeably non-exempt.[17] In spite of the fact that the tax cannabis Web site says otherwise, the only medical marijuana exemptions that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative actually makes are with regard to possession, consumption and purchase limits, which only ensure that patients would still be allowed to buy medicine at dispensaries. The word “cultivate” is conspicuously absent. Whereas today a person with a doctor’s recommendation has the right to grow up to an unlimited number of plants, the initiative would drastically reduce that number to whatever can fit in a 5’x5’ footprint (around 3-6 plants—per property, not per person). This will force many patients to resort to buying instead of growing their own medicine, because of the inconvenience caused by producing multiple grows a year rather than growing a year’s supply of medicine at one time, as many patients currently do outdoors. And growing indoors—which typically requires special grow lights, an increase in hydro use, and a lot of time and attention—is a comparatively expensive endeavor."
Which means I can NOT(with or without a Drs Recomendation) grow more then a 5x5 (25 square foot) area.
And if I do, patient or not, I will be going to jail.
And the only way around this? No problem, just go get a license from your city/county.
ANY city county that does give these out, will charge money for them. There will be NO way around this.
Oakland is one of the most progressive city when it comes to pot, look at their model. 30k!!!! PER YEAR!!!!!!
I beleive that this law is written to eradicate small business from the pot industry.
Dan Kone
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Show me where in prop19 it says that. If it doesn't specifically state it, then your claim is not true.
Prop 19 is about recreational use, not medical use.
No it doesn't. What you quoted was not law, it is just the opinion of a misinformed blogger.
Let me first say that this is quoted from the google cache link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HOO4sF3PwJQJ:www.taxcannabis.org/page/content/faq+will+prop+19+affect+medical+growers%3F&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
They have since taken it down but you can see it through google. This is quoted from www.taxcannabis.org so its straight from the horses mouth.
" by providing legal permits to gardens"
"give local groups an equal opportunity to obtain licenses and/or permits for the sale and cultivation of medical cannabis"
you see that? Do you think there will be a separate (and much much cheaper) "commercial medical permit"
I Doubt It
It says right there "equal opportunity to obtain licenses" And I bet the $30k per year fees are just as "equal opportunity"
So yes, medical patients also have the same opportunity to try and obtain a license, but you are going to pay $30k a year just like the next guy.
These guys have you so mystified with "legalizing" This is not legalization, this is one mans attempt at turning his millions into billions. And creating a market where small business is completely pushed out of it.
Dan Kone
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No where does prop 19 mention a $30k per year fee.
Weedoozie
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You're right, though no where on it is it mentioned. How much do you think they'll be charging for it?
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