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printer

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it will be long, and bloody, because russia has a mountain of garbage artillery to throw, but Ukraine is having great effect destroying ammo depots and commands centers, effectively using the equipment they been given to shoot and scoot, coordinating with spotters and drone operators.
russia is hurting for good equipment, and fresh young recruits, but old men firing old artillery can still destroy cities...
This has been my take for a long time. It is at a point where the Ukrainians will probably change things around in the fall. They would like the war to be over before the end of the year as Europe will need gas to stay warm and keep the electricity on, Russia still has a hold on them. Russia will call up any able man to be able to load a cannon and push the trigger. They still have a greater population than Ukraine and especially in the far flung areas they only have what Moscow gives them for information and they had been pushing the idea that they only narrowly stopped Nato from overrunning the motherland by attacking Ukraine first.

the fact that they are still on the map after almost five months means that (sets metaphor blender on eleven) the big bad bear is a paper tiger.

It is another object lesson in war in the nuclear era. Were it not for those pesky nukes, China and Nato would currently be leaning over the chart, deciding who gets what.
Not a paper tiger, lot of wrecked cities and towns to show for it. If it were not for their nukes the West would have taken care of Russia.

They will get creative about that and use Vlad's own method to break off chunks of independent countries with independence movements and clandestine support for extremists. Transportation links into north central Asia and the east coast from Europe are few and weak.
And that is how Moscow controls them. Moscow decides what the hinterland gets as it controls the movement of goods to them.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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And that is how Moscow controls them. Moscow decides what the hinterland gets as it controls the movement of goods to them.
Which is why if someone wanted to change the situation, they would target a series of vital rail and road bridges along the routes from Europe. Most are probably unguarded and in the middle of nowhere. Aid and supplies would naturally flow in from China to these regions, the fuckers could probably build a railroad through Mongolia in a month!
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Which is why if someone wanted to change the situation, they would target a series of vital rail and road bridges along the routes from Europe. Most are probably unguarded and in the middle of nowhere. Aid and supplies would naturally flow in from China to these regions, the fuckers could probably build a railroad through Mongolia in a month!
the artery from the Urals to Vladivostok is long and impossible to guard.

 

printer

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The permanent representative of Russia called the goal of the destruction of Western weapons in Ukraine
Russia's Permanent Representative to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich said that the domestic armed forces will destroy all Western weapons imported to Ukraine. It is reported by RIA Novosti .

According to him, Moscow fears that the weapons will be used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for shelling civilian targets. Lukashevich stressed that NATO countries continue to deliver military supplies to Ukraine and plan to "send to Estonia American MLRS HIMARS and long-range shells for them totaling $500 million."

“We confirm that Western weapons imported to Ukraine will be destroyed in order to exclude the possibility of using them for shelling residential areas,” the Russian representative assured.

Earlier, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov said that Kiev is waiting for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) NASAMS from Western countries. In addition, according to him, the country expects to receive long-range missiles. “We expect NASAMS systems from our partners along with rockets to them. We are waiting for NASAMS later this year, ”said the head of the defense department.

On July 4, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used the HIMARS MLRS, delivered to Ukraine from the United States , for the first time to shell Donetsk . The DPR also stated that shells of 155 mm caliber were fired at the districts of the city, artillery of this caliber is used by NATO countries.

The Ministry of Defense spoke about the looting of houses by soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Russian uniforms
In Slavyansk , soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, dressed in the uniform of the Russian military, robbed the houses of local residents. Mikhail Mizintsev , head of the National Defense Control Center of Russia , said this , according to the website of the Russian Defense Ministry .

According to Mizintsev, the Ukrainian military, dressed in Russian uniforms with St. George ribbons, “demonstratively robbed and used physical violence against civilians.” At the same time, he stressed, Ukrainian specialists in information and psychological operations photographed and filmed "acts of looting" allegedly committed by Russian soldiers.

Mizintsev warned that the Ukrainian side intends to widely disseminate this information in local and Western media.

Earlier it was reported that Ukrainian troops are preparing provocations and staging to identify "collaborators" in Slavyansk. The Ambassador of the Lugansk People's Republic in Russia, Rodion Miroshnik , said that groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine dressed in the uniform of the Russian army were seen in the village.

Member of the Bundestag predicted the collapse of Germany because of Russia
Germany must stop the economic war against Russia, as the country is not able to survive without Russian energy resources. This opinion was expressed by the German politician, Bundestag deputy Sarah Wagenknecht.

“Russian raw materials and, above all, relatively cheap fuel are the necessary conditions for the existence of a competitive German industry, without which we cannot do. An economic war will destroy our country, while it is unlikely to harm [Russian President Vladimir] Putin,” she said in an interview with the dpa news agency. She noted that the economic war of Berlin against Moscow harms only Germany.

With this statement, she supported the Prime Minister of Saxony, Michael Kretschmer, who had previously called for a "freeze" of the Russian special operation in Ukraine by influencing Russian President Vladimir Putin. In his opinion, Germany needs to play a central role in resolving the conflict in Ukraine, together with France, the United States and other countries.

Kyiv strikes at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with a long-range sight
For the second time in less than a week, Ukrainian armed formations hit the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. The first blow was delivered on Monday, the second - yesterday, as a result of which eleven employees of the station were injured, four of whom are in serious condition.

Many by inertia believe that this is just another stage of the terrorist activities of the Kyiv security forces and is aimed at intimidating their own civilians, and also aims to destroy or at least damage key infrastructure facilities as much and as much as possible. This is true, but only a small part of it.

The first blow on June 18 was deliberately dealt to a cluster of NPP employees who had finished their shift change. The result is a dozen wounded.
Two days later, Ukrainian troops used Western-made kamikaze drones, hitting a parking lot just a hundred meters from one of the power units. Since even a direct hit from a heavy artillery mount or a plane crash could not damage the containment, the conclusion suggests itself: the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their Western curators initially set themselves the goal of killing and maiming as many people as possible, causing panic and disrupting work.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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the artery from the Urals to Vladivostok is long and impossible to guard.

There is a lot of corruption in Russia and soon there will be malcontented veterans from the Ukraine war in these regions. A dozen people with a million bucks and a bit of common technology could do a lot of damage operating inside Russia. They only need to rent a warehouse with a rail siding or tracks into the building and using false companies, order up some rail cars of ammonium nitrate and a tanker car of diesel fuel. ANFO is about 7% fuel mixed well with ammonium nitrate fertilizer and hopper or tanker car holds 50 tons and it has about 50% the explosive power of TNT and it needs a booster charge for best effect. So let's say your little operation loads up a dozen cars of ANFO and sends them off to various destinations, let's use Crimea as an example. You simply rig the thing to go off when it reaches the approximate coordinates of the Kerch bridge and others cars would go off at various points along the causeway too. All you really need is a cellphone, an app and a big battery for the phone. When the cars hit the bridge, bang, off goes 50 tons of ANFO per car and there goes the road bridge next door as well. You might need to use tanker cars for Crimea though, I'm sure the army is sending lots of diesel through Crimea for tanks and other equipment.

Cash and bribes can do most of the heavy lifting in Russia and bribing someone from the army or stealing explosives for boosters should be doable. Ukrainians can pass off as Russians, many flawlessly, cash is king in Russia, corruption and bribery common. Fertilizer and diesel fuel can be purchased and train cars rented, diverted to the warehouse and picked up on request, business as usual. You might only get to do it once however! :lol:
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
There is a lot of corruption in Russia and soon there will be malcontented veterans from the Ukraine war in these regions. A dozen people with a million bucks and a bit of common technology could do a lot of damage operating inside Russia. They only need to rent a warehouse with a rail siding or tracks into the building and using false companies, order up some rail cars of ammonium nitrate and a tanker car of diesel fuel. ANFO is about 7% fuel mixed well with ammonium nitrate fertilizer and hopper or tanker car holds 50 tons and it has about 50% the explosive power of TNT and it needs a booster charge for best effect. So let's say your little operation loads up a dozen cars of ANFO and sends them off to various destinations, let's use Crimea as an example. You simply rig the thing to go off when it reaches the approximate coordinates of the Kerch bridge and others cars would go off at various points along the causeway too. All you really need is a cellphone, an app and a big battery for the phone. When the cars hit the bridge, bang, off goes 50 tons of ANFO per car and there goes the road bridge next door as well. You might need to use tanker cars for Crimea though, I'm sure the army is sending lots of diesel through Crimea for tanks and other equipment.

Cash and bribes can do most of the heavy lifting in Russia and bribing someone from the army or stealing explosives for boosters should be doable. Ukrainians can pass off as Russians, many flawlessly, cash is king in Russia, corruption and bribery common. Fertilizer and diesel fuel can be purchased and train cars rented, diverted to the warehouse and picked up on request, business as usual. You might only get to do it once however! :lol:
I’m looking at it from the south.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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“We confirm that Western weapons imported to Ukraine will be destroyed in order to exclude the possibility of using them for shelling residential areas,” the Russian representative assured.
how will they accomplish this, i wonder? unless the Ukrainians park them unguarded in the center of a residential area, the russians will never be able to hit them...they have no precision munitions left, and it's easy enough to move himars out of russian artillery range and keep on hammering them till they're dust. the russians still seem to be very hesitant about using air cover, so that severely limits their options.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The permanent representative of Russia called the goal of the destruction of Western weapons in Ukraine
Russia's Permanent Representative to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich said that the domestic armed forces will destroy all Western weapons imported to Ukraine. It is reported by RIA Novosti .

According to him, Moscow fears that the weapons will be used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for shelling civilian targets. Lukashevich stressed that NATO countries continue to deliver military supplies to Ukraine and plan to "send to Estonia American MLRS HIMARS and long-range shells for them totaling $500 million."

“We confirm that Western weapons imported to Ukraine will be destroyed in order to exclude the possibility of using them for shelling residential areas,” the Russian representative assured.

Earlier, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov said that Kiev is waiting for the supply of anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) NASAMS from Western countries. In addition, according to him, the country expects to receive long-range missiles. “We expect NASAMS systems from our partners along with rockets to them. We are waiting for NASAMS later this year, ”said the head of the defense department.

On July 4, the Armed Forces of Ukraine used the HIMARS MLRS, delivered to Ukraine from the United States , for the first time to shell Donetsk . The DPR also stated that shells of 155 mm caliber were fired at the districts of the city, artillery of this caliber is used by NATO countries.

The Ministry of Defense spoke about the looting of houses by soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Russian uniforms
In Slavyansk , soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, dressed in the uniform of the Russian military, robbed the houses of local residents. Mikhail Mizintsev , head of the National Defense Control Center of Russia , said this , according to the website of the Russian Defense Ministry .

According to Mizintsev, the Ukrainian military, dressed in Russian uniforms with St. George ribbons, “demonstratively robbed and used physical violence against civilians.” At the same time, he stressed, Ukrainian specialists in information and psychological operations photographed and filmed "acts of looting" allegedly committed by Russian soldiers.

Mizintsev warned that the Ukrainian side intends to widely disseminate this information in local and Western media.

Earlier it was reported that Ukrainian troops are preparing provocations and staging to identify "collaborators" in Slavyansk. The Ambassador of the Lugansk People's Republic in Russia, Rodion Miroshnik , said that groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine dressed in the uniform of the Russian army were seen in the village.

Member of the Bundestag predicted the collapse of Germany because of Russia
Germany must stop the economic war against Russia, as the country is not able to survive without Russian energy resources. This opinion was expressed by the German politician, Bundestag deputy Sarah Wagenknecht.

“Russian raw materials and, above all, relatively cheap fuel are the necessary conditions for the existence of a competitive German industry, without which we cannot do. An economic war will destroy our country, while it is unlikely to harm [Russian President Vladimir] Putin,” she said in an interview with the dpa news agency. She noted that the economic war of Berlin against Moscow harms only Germany.

With this statement, she supported the Prime Minister of Saxony, Michael Kretschmer, who had previously called for a "freeze" of the Russian special operation in Ukraine by influencing Russian President Vladimir Putin. In his opinion, Germany needs to play a central role in resolving the conflict in Ukraine, together with France, the United States and other countries.

Kyiv strikes at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with a long-range sight
For the second time in less than a week, Ukrainian armed formations hit the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. The first blow was delivered on Monday, the second - yesterday, as a result of which eleven employees of the station were injured, four of whom are in serious condition.

Many by inertia believe that this is just another stage of the terrorist activities of the Kyiv security forces and is aimed at intimidating their own civilians, and also aims to destroy or at least damage key infrastructure facilities as much and as much as possible. This is true, but only a small part of it.

The first blow on June 18 was deliberately dealt to a cluster of NPP employees who had finished their shift change. The result is a dozen wounded.
Two days later, Ukrainian troops used Western-made kamikaze drones, hitting a parking lot just a hundred meters from one of the power units. Since even a direct hit from a heavy artillery mount or a plane crash could not damage the containment, the conclusion suggests itself: the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their Western curators initially set themselves the goal of killing and maiming as many people as possible, causing panic and disrupting work.
so much lies in one place...and so much revealed hypocrisy...do you think they keep track of what they do that seems to piss people off the most, then that is what they turn around and accuse their enemies of doing?...do even the old people who have been indoctrinated all their lives still believe that shit? after hearing their neighbors talk about their son that didn't come home, about whole units not coming home? how many young men will have to die, or flee the country, before anyone notices? when there aren't any more young men?
 

BudmanTX

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A Jew and a Mulslim walk into a bar. The bartender asked where is your Russians friend? They said he couldn't make it, the three of them were practising their Javelin toss and the Russian stayed behind, but tanks for the thought.


Hey, on short notice...
U could have done better than that........lol
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Zelenskiy says Ukraine can inflict major damage to Russian forces

(Reuters) - Ukraine's military has the potential to make gains on the battlefield and inflict major losses on Russia, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Thursday after meeting senior commanders.


Zelenskiy, speaking in a late-night video address, said the meeting had discussed the supply of modern weapons, adding the intensity of attacks on the Russians had to be stepped up.

"(We) agreed that our forces have the strong potential to advance on the battlefield and inflict significant new losses on the occupiers," he said.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I keep thinking that whipping Vlad's ass in Ukraine during or before election season could be helpful to Joe, especially if Vlad escalates and declares war on Ukraine to mobilize. Wars can be good for presidents and that is good for his party too and if the Ukrainians are driving the depleted and demoralized Russian army out of Ukraine it will be making the news. If Zellenskiy shows up in DC to walk arm in arm with Joe this fall and get a medal it will help too, cause I'm sure he will say nice things about Joe!

As long as Russia continues the war, even if they are largely ejected from Ukraine, the sanctions will remain on and Europe will be looking for energy alternatives. The longer the sanctions stay on the deeper the damage to the Russian economy.

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Roger A. Shrubber

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I keep thinking that whipping Vlad's ass in Ukraine during or before election season could be helpful to Joe, especially if Vlad escalates and declares war on Ukraine to mobilize. Wars can be good for presidents and that is good for his party too and if the Ukrainians are driving the depleted and demoralized Russian army out of Ukraine it will be making the news. If Zellenskiy shows up in DC to walk arm in arm with Joe this fall and get a medal it will help too, cause I'm sure he will say nice things about Joe!

As long as Russia continues the war, even if they are largely ejected from Ukraine, the sanctions will remain on and Europe will be looking for energy alternatives. The longer the sanctions stay on the deeper the damage to the Russian economy.

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worth reading
 
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Sativied

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Best piece on Germany and gas. As with most articles at der Spiegel it's a long read but proper journalism.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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If A10s show up in Ukraine you will know it is game over for the Russians! Vlad would shit as would any enemy troops in their AO, talk about something causing mass panic in the Russian troops. Yep they show up a month before the election and start cleaning house in Ukraine, a half dozen should do, with HIMARS and drones stripping off much of the Russian AA missile defense along the fronts. It would definitely be an escalation, however another 100 HIMARS could do a lot of damage too and not make as many waves. These showing up in Ukraine sporting Ukrainian colors would send a Helluva message to Vlad, it's over, get out fast, if you can! :lol:

Some of them haven't been upgraded and are probably still pretty old tech, I wonder if their pilots are training on sims in America?

Update from Ukraine | A-10 Warthog for Ukraine Air Forces!
 
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