Actually i never said i believed ANY of that story cuz i dont. I was merely using a specific example, i dont want to speak in generalities like you guys are so pro at doing.
You continue this, but it is only because you do not accept evolution as even slightly plausible. The bottom line is there were millions of animals, trees, insects, and numerous other forms of life that he COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY got them all. To think that one old man built a big enough boat to even fit 2 of just 1 thousand animals is an absolute fallacy, and mentally handicapped children still have trouble accepting it.
There is actual science and TONS of books that imply that jesus was a man. Can you find TONS of books referring to noah? can you find TONS of books that refer to adam and eve? no, just a couple. Also, you only continue to believe he walked on water because its what your fabled story book tells you. Were you there? Guess what, i just saw my mom walk on water too! Who are you to say i didnt, you werent there! See your reasoning? You guys keep missing the biggest thing about having a debate, the burden proof lies on those making the claim.
I provide quotes and links for all of my arguments, almost every time. Please, PLEASE, point out to me where i said 'History is Fact'. You cant, because it didnt happen.
Some might say that engagement practices are outdated, but it really doesn't matter does it? People don't use engagement as a tool for mass control, oppression of rights or murder. Try again. The bible teaches us about where we came from, the way we thought a long time ago, how we evolved from our previous ways of faith, civilization, ignorance and intelligence, ugliness and beauty, all in one. It is NOT fact, far less so than a history textbook, which is already questionable enough as it is. So even if i DID reference to the bible as fact due to being a form of history (which i didnt) would i rather trust 'textbook' thats 10 years old? Or 2000 years old?
Your beliefs ARE outdated. Very few of you use your faith as ONLY a tool for the good, and for leading a good life. MOST of you, use it as a tool for war. As a means to strike fear into those that are not intelligent enough to make their own decisions, take responsibility for their own actions, or even understand how many serious holes in your 'logic' there are.
I am more than willing to continue to post, quote, link, and continue to break your argument apart piece by piece if needed. This post is a direct example. I have addressed everything you have said. How will you respond? I expect more dodging, more circles. It lost its fun for a bit, but i admit, you have rekindled me slightly.
Oh, more insults. No surprise there eh?
I addressed all comments u made, I didnt pull any "generalities" out of the air. You said, u believe Jesus to have been a man, not u say u dont believe any part of the "story"; he is the MAIN party of the "story" (Bible)
Now where did I say, I didn't accept evolution as being anything? Now I am speaking directly to your comments, where did u get that from. But since u brought it up specifically in reply to me, I do indeed believe evolution happened as well. But alas, evolution or no, the beginning was STILL made by God, & all things beginning, so while man may as well evolved, lets say from ape, God made ape; all God's work or doing just a different form. And it seems u sir r not replying directly to my reasonable or in ur words plausible argument. I SAID, I believe there were maybe only a couple hundred....just my thoughts on the interpretation, let me say once again. And again, u want to pick apart single things but r missing for those that believe in God, all things are one. No, one old man didnt build an ark himself, God laid his hands upon that old man & in effect used him as his "tool" if u will to build the ark...again, u just want to seem to interpret everything to need a specific answer. That is the BASE of believing in the bible, which you actually don't which is fine. But no one needs to prove or is every going to prove that to you, ever. There is no answer to what was before God, nothing, God always was, period, end of story. It is hard for humans to believe because humans in their inherent nature needs X+Y to = XY. There is NO explanation for many things, they just ARE. U want people to bring proof to u, bring proof that they are just stories, bring proof that this outdated information is not as important or doesnt have as much meaning as it did...2000 years ago. I will give you proof, the mere acceptance by the larger majority around the world on planet earth that do believe in a higher power and in Jesus, & in the bible. The acceptance that has been & will continue to be for another 2000 years if earth last that long. What more proof do u need?
Again, God killed many before. Again God came down to man, spoke from the heavens to man, etc etc etc. and even after he sent his son to perform all the miracles thereafter, etc. etc. there were still those that wouldnt believe, didnt believe, and those that will never believe or until they see more miracles with "their own eyes". That is why gave up on convincing many, he did too good a job on this species of man, & his need for proof proof proof. he gave man free will, told man he could believe & accept or not, & called it a day. Afterall he wants all man to come to heaven & will have an eternity to wait for each one, but man must CHOOSE, and what a gracious & loving God in the end to let you & me, do that.
The burden in your opinion lies in the ones making the claim. imo, the burden lies in the ones saying what has been written & believed in & told throughout the centuries has no basis of truth. Prove it!
U didnt say history was fact, you said the bible is part of history. well in any definition I have ever known of history, history is something that happened in the past on record, as something that HAD happened, DID occcur, WAS. I looked it up though, quick definition: History...1. The study of past events, particularly in human affairs. So again, you said, bible was literature, & then YOU said in the same sentence it was simply a part of history at which point I said, exactly...you said it (being facicous). The bible is part of human history (again please refer to the meaning of history), history doesnt mean what may have happened, it doesnt mean mythology, it means HISTORY which the bible is part of, a book of history.
I cannot say u dont have points with ur final banter about war, & hate, & murder, etc. you absolutely do, BUT, all that doesnt come from the Bible, belief therein, or from God's or Jesus teachings. That comes from CHURCH, & church & the bible or church & the word of God, & church and anything else that u can equate to religion of any sort are two ENTIRELY different animals. Church=man (at least in the present day age & age that has been for the last several hundred years at least) Bible=God, Jesus=God. Now THAT is where all the problems come in as far as I am concerned the teachings of any one "denomination of faith/ Church".
That's where, after the bible, for some "men" the bible wasnt good enough OR as the years passed on the arguments ensured over the interpretation of the bible, thus new religions formed, old ones changed & added their own laws/rules, etc. then changed them again to relate to the masses at large, at that time, to keep their set followers to find more rules, "laws", that appealed to more people, & it was a big ugly bubble that grew & grew & broke apart into another & another & another & another & this continues to this day. But there is but ONE word of God, it is written in a book of historical fact called the bible. And while this book will always & forever be the most highly debated book ever as to what is the meaning of this that or the other, the central meaning for the lay person has always & will forever be the same.
There is a God, he created everything, all mankind & all living things, that ever were or will be after him, in his image. And as God made mistakes & learned, we are not unlike him at all, much very much like him. He made you, he had no one to guide him along the way, he made mistakes. He learned from them, he blessed man with his knowledge of love, anger, vengence, etc. and so forth & with the story of his mistakes and his OWN repentance, & of his own conclusion, that the only way to get through to man is through love & in that end the only way to him is through love. We are so much of everything that God is, it is beautiful. Now, like him, we must find our own way, but unlike him, (who had no one) we have had him there to lead us & guide as, long long after his own trials & tribulations with his creation in man; we have the bible everlasting, his word everlasting, as he is everlasting, to help us, to maybe not make all the mistakes he did if we CHOOSE to listen. Sounds very much like parenting...no? And anyone who is a parent knows exactly what that means? Some people, in fact most all people, no matter what, HAVE to find their own way. You can teach them, guide them, love them, & let them go. The rest is up to them
God sinned, (although God is without sin, because sin is something of man, same equivalent in man's terms.) God murdered, God showed anger, God tested his "sheep", God bestowed the worst plagues on lands, peoples, nations, God was jealous, so on & so forth. But in the end, God was I believe, the way he hopes all mankind "might" choose to be from jumpstart, just a simple good hearted person, out to love & be loved, out for peace & beauty, & have life in this manner everlasting, one of which is better shared!
