The farce behind liberal, "I'll tax you again" global warming bullshit - volcanoes!

[Pinworm]

same misunderstanding of science and global warming. Volcanoes are noise, nothing more, they are a CONSTANT, so are forest fires.

So are boners.

 

[UncleBuck]

Teh Fux You Say?

volcanoes are ANYTHING but a constant.

if you think the IPCC has adequately accounted for volcanic co2 (even excluding eruptions and offgassing events) then you obviously havent read (Gerlach 1991) and his oft quoted yet highly dubious claim that surface volcanism emits 300 megatonnes of co2 a year because he examined the results from SEVEN volcanoes out of 3000, and undersea volcanism curiously matches surface volcanism exactly because he examined data from THREE undersea volcanoes out of an UNKNOWN number...

hell, read it yourself.

http://gerlach1991.geologist-1011.mobi/

did a whole bunch of new volcanoes pop up in the last 100 years, or did the termites just start fucking like crazy?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Teh Fux You Say?

volcanoes are ANYTHING but a constant.

if you think the IPCC has adequately accounted for volcanic co2 (even excluding eruptions and offgassing events) then you obviously havent read (Gerlach 1991) and his oft quoted yet highly dubious claim that surface volcanism emits 300 megatonnes of co2 a year because he examined the results from SEVEN volcanoes out of 3000, and undersea volcanism curiously matches surface volcanism exactly because he examined data from THREE undersea volcanoes out of an UNKNOWN number...

hell, read it yourself.

http://gerlach1991.geologist-1011.mobi/

i havent bothered paying attention to your bullshit math

a geologist who should know summat about volcanoes...

Science! it's a mysterious thing indeed.

but im a bit confused as to why you ignored the only bit of data in your crackpot geologist chainmail?

*****snipped bulshit to get to only data****** there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.
******snipped bulshit*******

now you seem to have a discrepancy with his numbers.....

More than 1,500 potentially active volcanoes dot the Earth’s landscape, of which approximately 500 are active at any given time

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/monvoc/


now i am not going to bother trawling back thru your frothy rants to find out where you dragged that 3000 number from theres as no point its all bulshit anyway

 

[Dr Kynes]

i havent bothered paying attention to your bullshit math

but im a bit confused as to why you ignored the only bit of data in your crackpot geologist chainmail?

now you seem to have a discrepancy with his numbers.....


http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/monvoc/


now i am not going to bother trawling back thru your frothy rants to find out where you dragged that 3000 number from theres as no point its all bulshit anyway

another pointless screed from a dingbat who cant understand that there are UNCERTAINTIES in volcanism:

http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcanoes/faq/how_many_volcanoes.html

"The exact number of volcanoes is unknown. It also depends on the definition of a "volcano": for instance, there are "volcanic fields" that comprise hundreds of individual eruption centers (such as conder cones, maars, shield volcanoes) that are all relataed to the same magma chamber and that may or not be counted as a single "volcano"

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/natural-disasters/volcano-profile/

"About 1,900 volcanoes on Earth are considered active, meaning they show some level of activity and are likely to explode again. Many other volcanoes are dormant, showing no current signs of exploding but likely to become active at some point in the future. Others are considered extinct."


http://www.volcano.si.edu/faq.cfm

How many active volcanoes are there in the world?

The answer to this common question depends upon use of the word "active." At least 20 volcanoes will probably be erupting as you read these words (Italy's Stromboli, for example, has been erupting for more than a thousand years); roughly 60 erupted each year through the 1990s; 154 in the full decade 1990-1999; about 550 have had historically documented eruptions; about 1300 (and perhaps more than 1500) have erupted in the Holocene (past 10,000 years); and some estimates of young seafloor volcanoes exceed a million. Because dormant intervals between major eruptions at a single volcano may last hundreds to thousands of years, dwarfing the relatively short historical record in many regions, it is misleading to restrict usage of "active volcano" to recorded human memories: we prefer to add another identifying word (e.g. "historically active" or "Holocene volcano").

The definition of "volcano" is as important in answering the number question as the definition of "active." Usage has varied widely, with "volcano" applied to individual vents, measured in meters, through volcanic edifices measured in tens of kilometers, to volcanic fields measured in hundreds of kilometers. We have tended toward the broader definition in our compilations, allowing the record of a single large plumbing system to be viewed as a whole, but this approach often requires careful work in field and laboratory to establish the integrity of a group's common magmatic link. The problem is particularly difficult in Iceland, where eruptions separated by many tens of kilometers along a single rift may share the same magmatic system. A "volcanic field," such as Mexico's Michoacan-Guanajuato field (comprising nearly 1,400 cinder cones, maars, and shield volcanoes derived from a single magmatic system, dotting a 200 x 250 km area) may be counted the same as a single volcanic edifice. Perhaps the most honest answer to the number question is that we do not really have an accurate count of the world's volcanoes, but that there are at least a thousand identified magma systems--on land alone--likely to erupt in the future.

Erupting now: perhaps 20
Each year: 50-70
Each decade: about 160
Historical eruptions: about 550
Known Holocene eruptions (last 10,000 years): about 1300
Known (and possible) Holocene eruptions: about 1500
Note that these figures do not include the large number of eruptions (and undescribed volcanoes) on the deep sea floor. Estimates of global magma budgets suggest that roughly 3/4 of the lava reaching Earth's surface does so unnoticed at submarine midocean ridges (see below).


and all of that is just about "active" volcanoes, ON THE SURFACE OF THE LAND, which are either currently blowing up, threatening to blow up or have blown up recently.

the number of volcanoes seeping, venting, offgassing and otherwise not extinct, but not currently bubbling magma is very high, the estimate from my source is ~3000 volcanoes on the surface, currently emitting co2, even if they are not gonna blow up, some are part of a large chain of volcanoes, and others are part of super-calderas like yellowstone, and a few are standalone volcanoes on a hotspot, and a couple are just inexplicable

ohh look, a list of the named volcanoes on the surface of the planet
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/oldroot/volcanoes/alpha.html


wow theres a lot of them innit?

no go back to chasing your own tail.

different definitions of "volcano" result in different numbers. you dont get to be the authority on a subject where even the ACTUAL experts arent sure of the numbers.

 

[ginjawarrior]

another pointless screed from a dingbat who cant understand that there are UNCERTAINTIES in volcanism:

http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcanoes/faq/how_many_volcanoes.html

"The exact number of volcanoes is unknown. It also depends on the definition of a "volcano": for instance, there are "volcanic fields" that comprise hundreds of individual eruption centers (such as conder cones, maars, shield volcanoes) that are all relataed to the same magma chamber and that may or not be counted as a single "volcano"

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/natural-disasters/volcano-profile/

"About 1,900 volcanoes on Earth are considered active, meaning they show some level of activity and are likely to explode again. Many other volcanoes are dormant, showing no current signs of exploding but likely to become active at some point in the future. Others are considered extinct."


http://www.volcano.si.edu/faq.cfm

How many active volcanoes are there in the world?

The answer to this common question depends upon use of the word "active." At least 20 volcanoes will probably be erupting as you read these words (Italy's Stromboli, for example, has been erupting for more than a thousand years); roughly 60 erupted each year through the 1990s; 154 in the full decade 1990-1999; about 550 have had historically documented eruptions; about 1300 (and perhaps more than 1500) have erupted in the Holocene (past 10,000 years); and some estimates of young seafloor volcanoes exceed a million. Because dormant intervals between major eruptions at a single volcano may last hundreds to thousands of years, dwarfing the relatively short historical record in many regions, it is misleading to restrict usage of "active volcano" to recorded human memories: we prefer to add another identifying word (e.g. "historically active" or "Holocene volcano").

The definition of "volcano" is as important in answering the number question as the definition of "active." Usage has varied widely, with "volcano" applied to individual vents, measured in meters, through volcanic edifices measured in tens of kilometers, to volcanic fields measured in hundreds of kilometers. We have tended toward the broader definition in our compilations, allowing the record of a single large plumbing system to be viewed as a whole, but this approach often requires careful work in field and laboratory to establish the integrity of a group's common magmatic link. The problem is particularly difficult in Iceland, where eruptions separated by many tens of kilometers along a single rift may share the same magmatic system. A "volcanic field," such as Mexico's Michoacan-Guanajuato field (comprising nearly 1,400 cinder cones, maars, and shield volcanoes derived from a single magmatic system, dotting a 200 x 250 km area) may be counted the same as a single volcanic edifice. Perhaps the most honest answer to the number question is that we do not really have an accurate count of the world's volcanoes, but that there are at least a thousand identified magma systems--on land alone--likely to erupt in the future.

Erupting now: perhaps 20
Each year: 50-70
Each decade: about 160
Historical eruptions: about 550
Known Holocene eruptions (last 10,000 years): about 1300
Known (and possible) Holocene eruptions: about 1500
Note that these figures do not include the large number of eruptions (and undescribed volcanoes) on the deep sea floor. Estimates of global magma budgets suggest that roughly 3/4 of the lava reaching Earth's surface does so unnoticed at submarine midocean ridges (see below).


and all of that is just about "active" volcanoes, ON THE SURFACE OF THE LAND, which are either currently blowing up, threatening to blow up or have blown up recently.

the number of volcanoes seeping, venting, offgassing and otherwise not extinct, but not currently bubbling magma is very high, the estimate from my source is ~3000 volcanoes on the surface, currently emitting co2, even if they are not gonna blow up, some are part of a large chain of volcanoes, and others are part of super-calderas like yellowstone, and a few are standalone volcanoes on a hotspot, and a couple are just inexplicable

ohh look, a list of the named volcanoes on the surface of the planet
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/oldroot/volcanoes/alpha.html


wow theres a lot of them innit?

no go back to chasing your own tail.

different definitions of "volcano" result in different numbers. you dont get to be the authority on a subject where even the ACTUAL experts arent sure of the numbers.

Not one of your copy and pastes quotes 3000 you failed to show a source for it

If a volcano is outgasssing anything it would be classed as active so don't try weasling the definition

Your crackpot geologist was more acurate than your made up bullshit

 

[Dr Kynes]

Not one of your copy and pastes quotes 3000 you failed to show a source for it

If a volcano is outgasssing anything it would be classed as active so don't try weasling the definition

Your crackpot geologist was more acurate than your made up bullshit

i posted the ~3000 volcanoes source previously, now you expect me to hunt it up gain for your edification.

and no, venting volcanoes are not classed as "active" in most reports, "active" usually is narrowly defined as those who are threatening to erupt with Magma.

some sources like This One:
http://www.nationalatlas.gov/dynamic/dyn_vol-ca.html
say theres only 4 active volcanoes in california

ohh look, FIVE active volcanoes in california. one must be super new...
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012/jul/19/travel-california-active-volcanoes/#


"More than 500 volcanic vents have been identified in the State of California. At least 76 of these vents have erupted, some repeatedly, during the last 10,000 years. … Sooner or later, volcanoes in California will erupt again, and they could have serious impacts on the health and safety of the State's citizens as well as on its economy.” Miller, C. Dan (USGS)
http://www.seismic.ca.gov/volcano.html
ohh my, the USGS says theres 76 active volcanoes in california!

Q: How many active volcanoes are there on Earth?
A: There are about 1500 potentially active volcanoes worldwide, aside from the continuous belt of volcanoes on the ocean floor. About 500 of these have erupted in historical time. Many of these are located along the Pacific Rim in what is known as the "Ring of Fire." In the U.S., volcanoes in the Cascade Range and Alaska (Aleutian volcanic chain) are part of the Ring, while Hawaiian volcanoes form over a "hot spot" near the center of the Ring.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/about/faq/faqhazards.php


who is correct?
it depends how each geologist volcanologist, and organization defines a "volcano" and what is "active"

my previous source categorized "volcanoes" as large, distinct geological features connected to a magma source, which are currently not "extinct" (that means it's magma source is still live, hot and producing gasses, most notably, co2)

who is wrong? YOU.

 

[ginjawarrior]

i posted the ~3000 volcanoes source previously, now you expect me to hunt it up gain for your edification.

It certainly would make a lot more sense than you posting copy and pastes that don't support your 3000

and no, venting volcanoes are not classed as "active" in most reports, "active" usually is narrowly defined as those who are threatening to erupt with Magma.

Nonsense.. cite?

You have active, dormant, and extinct volcano

some sources like This One:
http://www.nationalatlas.gov/dynamic/dyn_vol-ca.html
say theres only 4 active volcanoes in california

ohh look, FIVE active volcanoes in california. one must be super new...
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2012/jul/19/travel-california-active-volcanoes/#

Neither say 3000

"More than 500 volcanic vents have been identified in the State of California. At least 76 of these vents have erupted, some repeatedly, during the last 10,000 years. … Sooner or later, volcanoes in California will erupt again, and they could have serious impacts on the health and safety of the State's citizens as well as on its economy.” Miller, C. Dan (USGS)
http://www.seismic.ca.gov/volcano.html
ohh my, the USGS says theres 76 active volcanoes in california!

How many different cut and pastes will you drag out before you find 3000?

Q: How many active volcanoes are there on Earth?
A: There are about 1500 potentially active volcanoes worldwide, aside from the continuous belt of volcanoes on the ocean floor. About 500 of these have erupted in historical time. Many of these are located along the Pacific Rim in what is known as the "Ring of Fire." In the U.S., volcanoes in the Cascade Range and Alaska (Aleutian volcanic chain) are part of the Ring, while Hawaiian volcanoes form over a "hot spot" near the center of the Ring.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/about/faq/faqhazards.php

That's the numbers nasa give still not 3000

who is correct?
it depends how each geologist volcanologist, and organization defines a "volcano" and what is "active"

Only person I can see playing fast and loose with description is you

my previous source categorized "volcanoes" as large, distinct geological features connected to a magma source, which are currently not "extinct" (that means it's magma source is still live, hot and producing gasses, most notably, co2)

cool beans now if you could just find this source that differs from all your cut and pastes we could resolve this in no time

who is wrong? YOU.

I'm wrong? Are you now claiming your numbers match that of your esteemed crackpot geologist?

I await your deluge of cut and pastes to prove that one.....

 

[Dr Kynes]

It certainly would make a lot more sense than you posting copy and pastes that don't support your 3000

Nonsense.. cite?

You have active, dormant, and extinct volcano

Neither say 3000


How many different cut and pastes will you drag out before you find 3000?

That's the numbers nasa give still not 3000


Only person I can see playing fast and loose with description is you
cool beans now if you could just find this source that differs from all your cut and pastes we could resolve this in no time
I'm wrong? Are you now claiming your numbers match that of your esteemed crackpot geologist?

I await your deluge of cut and pastes to prove that one.....

another typically lazy, intellectually incurious, and downright ignorant comment from The Ginch.

How many active volcanoes are there?
Category:
Interesting Factoids



The absolute number of volcanoes that exists depends on your definition: active only, active, dormant plus extinct volcanoes? And even if we decide on a definition, nobody has really counted all of the volcanoes, especially the tens on thousands on the sea floor.


The best guess is 1511 volcanoes have erupted in the last 10,000 years and should be considered active. This number is from the Smithsonian Institution book, “Volcanoes of the World: Second Edition” compiled by Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert.

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/how-many-active-volcanoes-are-there

ohh look "depends how you define it"

yeah, thats right i stopped digging out research papers and scholarly works, cuz youre simply not worth the effort.

FAQs and sites for children are all you can manage.

i posted the source previously which stated ~3000 surface volcanoes which are "active" by that geologist's definitions

which were, as previously stated:
Large distinctive geological formations which are connected to a magma source which was not extinct.
Net result:: ~3000 known large geologic features connected to live magma systems currently emitting significant quantities of co2.

that doesnt include geysers, fumaroles, seeps, vents, fissures, etc etc etc, nor anything on the sea floor.

 

[ginjawarrior]

another typically lazy, intellectually incurious, and downright ignorant comment from The Ginch.

How many active volcanoes are there?
Category:
Interesting Factoids


The absolute number of volcanoes that exists depends on your definition: active only, active, dormant plus extinct volcanoes? And even if we decide on a definition, nobody has really counted all of the volcanoes, especially the tens on thousands on the sea floor.

The best guess is 1511 volcanoes have erupted in the last 10,000 years and should be considered active. This number is from the Smithsonian Institution book, “Volcanoes of the World: Second Edition” compiled by Tom Simkin and Lee Siebert.

Another copy pasta that doesn't support you
That number matches nasa numbers 1500(ish) active in last 10000

You give 3000 all active now belching co2

ttp://volcano.oregonstate.edu/how-many-active-volcanoes-are-there

ohh look "depends how you define it"

Waiting for the person the defined it as 3000 co2 belching volcanos

yeah, thats right i stopped digging out research papers and scholarly works, cuz youre simply not worth the effort.

So your admitting you lied about 3000?

i posted the source previously which stated ~3000 surface volcanoes which are "active" by that geologist's definitions

Yeah of course you did....

which were, as previously stated:
Large distinctive geological formations which are connected to a magma source which was not extinct.
Net result:: ~3000 known large geologic features connected to live magma systems currently emitting significant quantities of co2.

Googling " 3000 known large geologic features connected to live magma systems currently emitting significant quantities of co2" doesn't bring it up

that doesnt include geysers, fumaroles, seeps, vents, fissures, etc etc etc, nor anything on the sea floor.

That's fine because seafloor volcanos don't usually release co2 into atmosphere it's normally dissolved into the water

If

If that wasn't the case we'd see the oceans outgasssing co2 rather than absorbing it from atmosphere

But that's not important I would love to see this 3000 data point

 

[Dr Kynes]

Another copy pasta that doesn't support you
That number matches nasa numbers 1500(ish) active in last 10000

You give 3000 all active now belching co2

Waiting for the person the defined it as 3000 co2 belching volcanos
So your admitting you lied about 3000?

Yeah of course you did....

Googling " 3000 known large geologic features connected to live magma systems currently emitting significant quantities of co2" doesn't bring it up



That's fine because seafloor volcanos don't usually release co2 into atmosphere it's normally dissolved into the water

If

If that wasn't the case we'd see the oceans outgasssing co2 rather than absorbing it from atmosphere

But that's not important I would love to see this 3000 data point

normally i would comply with a request for re-posting a citation, but youre simply not worth the effort.

and yeah, the oceans DO emit lots of co2 where the water is warm, and re-absorb some where it gets colder

even the IPCC accepts this fact.

 

[ginjawarrior]

normally i would comply with a request for re-posting a citation, but youre simply not worth the effort.

You certainly took the time and effort to drag up a multitude of copy pastas that support the 1500(active in last 10000years) and the much lower number active as we speak
You know the same number I quoted from nasa (which you loudly declared I was wrong about)

But the one link that backs you up.........?

and yeah, the oceans DO emit lots of co2 where the water is warm, and re-absorb some where it gets colder

even the IPCC accepts this fact.

and the net result is more co2 is entering the ocean than leaving it

It would be reversed if oceanic volcanos were driving modern co2 rise

 

[Dr Kynes]

You certainly took the time and effort to drag up a multitude of copy pastas that support the 1500(active in last 10000years) and the much lower number active as we speak
You know the same number I quoted from nasa (which you loudly declared I was wrong about)

But the one link that backs you up.........?

and the net result is more co2 is entering the ocean than leaving it

It would be reversed if oceanic volcanos were driving modern co2 rise

is that the strawman your creating?

you wish to assert that i am claiming sub-ocean volcanoes vents, tectonic expansion joints etc are whats driving Co2 increases?

what part of "NOBODY KNOWS" and "Uncertainty from Small Sample Size Statistics" are you unable to grasp?

the IPCC's report is based in assumptions, dubious claims and shenanigans by agenda driven cassandras

the numbers for human produced co2 are fairly solid, except that china is notoriously deceptive about everything they do, and they are the largest producers of human co2 on the planet and thus, if anything they may be slightly understated, but the Natural Sources are poorly understood, as are the natural sinks.

how much co2 does photosynthesis lock up? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 is removed by weathering of certain rock formations? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does the sea absorb? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does coral and other animal life absorb? estimates vary wildly

how much co2 does the ocean emit? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does animal life emit? estimates vary wildly.
how much co2 do geological processes produce? estimates vary wildly
how many active volcanoes are there on the surface? estimates vary wildly
how many undersea volcanoes? nobody fucking knows. estimates are little more than guesses.

net result:: more questions than answers, but as the self-appointed Answer Man, why dont you share your Wikipedia Wisdom with the class?

 

[Pinworm]

You certainly took the time and effort to drag up a multitude of copy pastas that support the 1500(active in last 10000years) and the much lower number active as we speak
You know the same number I quoted from nasa (which you loudly declared I was wrong about)

But the one link that backs you up.........?

and the net result is more co2 is entering the ocean than leaving it

It would be reversed if oceanic volcanos were driving modern co2 rise

the fuck is this shit anyways? You got a small pecker.

 

[ginjawarrior]

is that the strawman your creating?

you wish to assert that i am claiming sub-ocean volcanoes vents, tectonic expansion joints etc are whats driving Co2 increases?

As from the start I'm asserting that this is nothing more than a red herring

what part of "NOBODY KNOWS" and "Uncertainty from Small Sample Size Statistics" are you unable to grasp?

Yeah not brave enough to make assertions just weak insinuations to the "fact"

the IPCC's report is based in assumptions, dubious claims and shenanigans by agenda driven cassandras

You assume we old you qualified to make such judgements

the numbers for human produced co2 are fairly solid, except that china is notoriously deceptive about everything they do, and they are the largest producers of human co2 on the planet and thus, if anything they may be slightly understated, but the Natural Sources are poorly understood, as are the natural sinks.

how much co2 does photosynthesis lock up? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 is removed by weathering of certain rock formations? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does the sea absorb? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does coral and other animal life absorb? estimates vary wildly

how much co2 does the ocean emit? estimates vary wildly
how much co2 does animal life emit? estimates vary wildly.
how much co2 do geological processes produce? estimates vary wildly
how many active volcanoes are there on the surface? estimates vary wildly
how many undersea volcanoes? nobody fucking knows. estimates are little more than guesses.

it's an old spiel your preaching there

God of the gaps...

There will always be extrapolations in science it simply is not possible to track every mol of co2

Every new study fits a new piece to the puzzle and the data is not going in your favour

net result:: more questions than answers, but as the self-appointed Answer Man, why dont you share your Wikipedia Wisdom with the class?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

 

[Pinworm]

As from the start I'm asserting that this is nothing more than a red herring

Yeah not brave enough to make assertions just weak insinuations to the "fact"

You assume we old you qualified to make such judgements
it's an old spiel your preaching there

God of the gaps...

There will always be extrapolations in science it simply is not possible to track every mol of co2

Every new study fits a new piece to the puzzle and the data is not going in your favour

You suck at life.

 

[ginjawarrior]

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You suck at life.

one day when your all grown up and moved out of your mummies basement you'll come to understand a string of words that will make you look back at these feeble attempts of flaming and bow your head in shame

That magical string of words?





























"You've never met my ex........"

 

[UncleBuck]

lol, poor kynes got caught in another lie.

can't find a single source to support his 3000 volcanoes lie, so he claims ginja is not worth the effort.

simply pathetic, yet again.

add it to the list.

 

[Pinworm]

one day when your all grown up and moved out of your mummies basement you'll come to understand a string of words that will make you look back at these feeble attempts of flaming and bow your head in shame

That magical string of words?





























"You've never met my ex........"

I'm getting pretty sick of your shit, asshole. You don't bring shit to the table, but links about nothing. Your shit is tired.

 

[ginjawarrior]

I'm getting pretty sick of your shit, asshole. You don't bring shit to the table, but links about nothing. Your shit is tired.

Awww is this a tantrum brewing?

 

[Pinworm]

Awww is this a tantrum brewing?