rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
no trolling on this therad. come on over to reality: Lockdowns Work. Fogdog will be posting a tofu recipe!
Lockdowns don't work.
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Dr.Amber Trichome
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Budley Doright
Well-Known Member
I thought this was the, ocean of tears mixed with a little hidden self loathing, thread. But I could be mistaken.
Budley Doright
Well-Known Member
Want is not the word I would use
. Necessary maybe, to save the lives that were put in to jeopardy by bad decisions.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
America Samoa has 0 cases. NOBODY gets/got in. Paging Dr Encourage Conflict!!Want is not the word I would use
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Republican or Democrat, gripe or agree, the US are following lockdown orders and guidelines:
How Political Is The Coronavirus Pandemic Already?
fivethirtyeight.com
what do we actually know about how partisanship has influenced people’s reactions to COVID-19 so far? Do Democrats and Republicans really view the coronavirus differently?
Let’s first talk about what evidence we have that Democrats and Republicans are split in how they view the coronavirus, and what the significance of that is. Then we can shift gears to talk about how politicians on both sides of the aisle are handling the pandemic and how partisanship may (or may not) be a part of the calculus for when a state decides to open back up.
OK, first up, what evidence do we have that Democrats and Republicans are split on how they view the coronavirus?
nrakich (Nathaniel Rakich, elections analyst): According to polls, Republicans are less likely to support public health measures due to the coronavirus, but they are just as likely as Democrats and independents to obey them. In other words, Republicans might grumble about some of the preventive measures more, but they’re still taking the same precautions as everyone else.
In addition, it’s wrong to say that all (or even most) Republicans oppose these measures. It’s just that they’re split on them, while Democrats are pretty much unanimously in favor of taking precautions.
For example, an April 28-May 1 poll by Navigator Research found that 32 percent of all registered voters thought we needed stricter social distancing measures, 47 percent said we’re doing the right thing right now and 19 percent said we needed to relax social distancing rules.
sarahf: One thing I’ve been struck by is that while there are some partisan differences on various social distancing measures, they’re just not that big. For instance, a National Bureau Economic Research working paper found partisan differences in self-reported social distancing behaviors and attitudes, but on something like reducing contact with others, the gap between those who identified as strong Democrats and those who identified as strong Republicans wasn’t that big. It was only a few percentage points.
In other words, despite a strong partisan split around whether President Trump is doing a good job of handling the crisis (see the chart below from our tracker on COVID-19 polls), there isn’t the same kind of dividing line on the actual preventive measures people are taking.
In earlier messages, AC said the same. He's griping. Griping hard. Citing silly science and most adorably, quoting his own back of the envelope amateur calculations as if they were important. Yet, he says he's following the guidelines. He has every right to complain and he does. As are many Republicans, it would seem. Yet, they are doing the right things when given clear instructions.
Thus far, the largest threat from this virus is how Republican leadership is teaming with the virus for their own gains.
How Political Is The Coronavirus Pandemic Already?
How Political Is The Coronavirus Pandemic Already?
Welcome to FiveThirtyEight’s weekly politics chat. The transcript below has been lightly edited. sarahf (Sarah Frostenson, politics editor): The U.S. has starte…
fivethirtyeight.com
what do we actually know about how partisanship has influenced people’s reactions to COVID-19 so far? Do Democrats and Republicans really view the coronavirus differently?
Let’s first talk about what evidence we have that Democrats and Republicans are split in how they view the coronavirus, and what the significance of that is. Then we can shift gears to talk about how politicians on both sides of the aisle are handling the pandemic and how partisanship may (or may not) be a part of the calculus for when a state decides to open back up.
OK, first up, what evidence do we have that Democrats and Republicans are split on how they view the coronavirus?
nrakich (Nathaniel Rakich, elections analyst): According to polls, Republicans are less likely to support public health measures due to the coronavirus, but they are just as likely as Democrats and independents to obey them. In other words, Republicans might grumble about some of the preventive measures more, but they’re still taking the same precautions as everyone else.
In addition, it’s wrong to say that all (or even most) Republicans oppose these measures. It’s just that they’re split on them, while Democrats are pretty much unanimously in favor of taking precautions.
For example, an April 28-May 1 poll by Navigator Research found that 32 percent of all registered voters thought we needed stricter social distancing measures, 47 percent said we’re doing the right thing right now and 19 percent said we needed to relax social distancing rules.
sarahf: One thing I’ve been struck by is that while there are some partisan differences on various social distancing measures, they’re just not that big. For instance, a National Bureau Economic Research working paper found partisan differences in self-reported social distancing behaviors and attitudes, but on something like reducing contact with others, the gap between those who identified as strong Democrats and those who identified as strong Republicans wasn’t that big. It was only a few percentage points.
In other words, despite a strong partisan split around whether President Trump is doing a good job of handling the crisis (see the chart below from our tracker on COVID-19 polls), there isn’t the same kind of dividing line on the actual preventive measures people are taking.
In earlier messages, AC said the same. He's griping. Griping hard. Citing silly science and most adorably, quoting his own back of the envelope amateur calculations as if they were important. Yet, he says he's following the guidelines. He has every right to complain and he does. As are many Republicans, it would seem. Yet, they are doing the right things when given clear instructions.
Thus far, the largest threat from this virus is how Republican leadership is teaming with the virus for their own gains.
Dr.Amber Trichome
Well-Known Member
Ok I will come right over. Who needs this waterfarm bullshit. I’m so over pulling a pound a plant. It’s time to step up my game man .
Once this Blue Dream is done. I’m ready to Rock and Roll.
jimihendrix1
Well-Known Member
Sweden's COVID-19 Death Toll 'Horrifying,' Says Scientist
Soo Kim
8 hrs ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arrests-made-in-shooting-death-of-black-man-after-outcry/ar-BB13Lkcy?ocid=msedgdhp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-gop-lawmaker-disclosed-holdings-in-chinese-company-he-criticized/ar-BB13L0EO?ocid=msedgdhp
Cases of the novel coronavirus in Sweden have reached at least 23,918, with its death count at 2,941, as of Thursday, according to the latest figures from the country's health ministry.
"We are starting to near 3,000 deceased, a horrifyingly large number," noted the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, Anders Tegnell, at a press conference on Wednesday.
Tegnell, who has been leading the country's COVID-19 response and previously defended the nation's decision not to impose a lockdown, this week admitted he was "not convinced" the unconventional anti-lockdown strategy was the best option to take.
I'm not convinced at all - we are constantly thinking about this," Tegnell told Aftonbladet, the Swedish newspaper based in the capital Stockholm.
A child less than 10 years old, who had been in intensive care, was reported to be among the latest fatalities. But it has yet to be confirmed whether the child died from the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Tegnell told Aftonbladet the virus posed a minimal risk to children. He reportedly claimed there are nearly no cases among children globally, claiming that those who died following infection had severe underlying health conditions.
Contrary to Tegnell's claim, while there are fewer confirmed cases among under-18s, there have been several cases among children, including in Sweden. At least 118 confirmed infections among those aged 9 or younger and at least 282 confirmed cases among those aged between 10 and 19 have been reported in Sweden, as of Thursday.
Last month, a number of children in the United Kingdom with no underlying conditions were reported to have died from a rare inflammatory syndrome which researchers believe was linked to the disease, Reuters reported.
Medical experts in Italy and the U.K. were also said to be investigating a possible link between the virus and cases of severe inflammatory disease among infants arriving in hospital with high fevers and swollen arteries, Reuters reported.
Sweden has, by far, the largest number of cases and fatalities in Scandinavia, compared with its neighbors Denmark, Norway and Finland, which each have 10,281, 7,996 and 5,573 confirmed cases, respectively, according to the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University.
The daily death toll for Sweden is projected to reach potentially as high as nearly 150 by May 11, while up to 1,060 deaths have been projected for this week, according to the latest projection model by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team. The team consists of Imperial College London, the WHO (World Health Organization) Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Modelling within the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis and J-IDEA (Abdul Latif Jameel Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics).
Yet Sweden is the only infected European country to not issue a strict lockdown, a strategy which aimed to develop "herd immunity" by increasing the number of people exposed to the virus in a bid to avoid a second wave of cases.
But the move has come under criticism by other countries as well as within the nation.
Speaking to Newsweek, a 33-year-old mother based in the city of Lund in southern Sweden, Allyson Plumberg, said: "I don't think the Swedish response has been adequate. No recommendations for face mask usage in elder care homes (where the bulk of deaths have occurred)," in an email interview.
She added: "Even children with pre-existing medical conditions are not officially considered at-risk for COVID19. It is now well-known that children can become very ill (and even die in rare circumstances) from COVID-19, even without pre-existing conditions. There is still a mandatory school attendance (ages 6-15) for healthy children in Sweden.
"This means healthy teachers are also pressured to continue showing up in the classroom. We now see that teachers have died, and households with in-risk members are more desperate than ever to protect the health of their families.
"Overall, it seems like Sweden avoids adherence to the precautionary principle whenever possible," she said.
Newsweek has contacted Sweden's Ministry of Education as well as the Ministry of Health and Social Affairs for a comment.
Current restrictions in Sweden following the outbreak include a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, while residents have been told to avoid unnecessary travel and contact with elderly people. But they are allowed to visit restaurants, bars, cafes and nightclubs, which have reportedly been told to offer seated table service only.
Soo Kim
8 hrs ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arrests-made-in-shooting-death-of-black-man-after-outcry/ar-BB13Lkcy?ocid=msedgdhp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-gop-lawmaker-disclosed-holdings-in-chinese-company-he-criticized/ar-BB13L0EO?ocid=msedgdhp
Cases of the novel coronavirus in Sweden have reached at least 23,918, with its death count at 2,941, as of Thursday, according to the latest figures from the country's health ministry.
"We are starting to near 3,000 deceased, a horrifyingly large number," noted the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, Anders Tegnell, at a press conference on Wednesday.
Tegnell, who has been leading the country's COVID-19 response and previously defended the nation's decision not to impose a lockdown, this week admitted he was "not convinced" the unconventional anti-lockdown strategy was the best option to take.
I'm not convinced at all - we are constantly thinking about this," Tegnell told Aftonbladet, the Swedish newspaper based in the capital Stockholm.
A child less than 10 years old, who had been in intensive care, was reported to be among the latest fatalities. But it has yet to be confirmed whether the child died from the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Tegnell told Aftonbladet the virus posed a minimal risk to children. He reportedly claimed there are nearly no cases among children globally, claiming that those who died following infection had severe underlying health conditions.
Contrary to Tegnell's claim, while there are fewer confirmed cases among under-18s, there have been several cases among children, including in Sweden. At least 118 confirmed infections among those aged 9 or younger and at least 282 confirmed cases among those aged between 10 and 19 have been reported in Sweden, as of Thursday.
Last month, a number of children in the United Kingdom with no underlying conditions were reported to have died from a rare inflammatory syndrome which researchers believe was linked to the disease, Reuters reported.
Medical experts in Italy and the U.K. were also said to be investigating a possible link between the virus and cases of severe inflammatory disease among infants arriving in hospital with high fevers and swollen arteries, Reuters reported.
Sweden has, by far, the largest number of cases and fatalities in Scandinavia, compared with its neighbors Denmark, Norway and Finland, which each have 10,281, 7,996 and 5,573 confirmed cases, respectively, according to the latest figures from Johns Hopkins University.
The daily death toll for Sweden is projected to reach potentially as high as nearly 150 by May 11, while up to 1,060 deaths have been projected for this week, according to the latest projection model by the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team. The team consists of Imperial College London, the WHO (World Health Organization) Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Modelling within the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis and J-IDEA (Abdul Latif Jameel Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics).
Yet Sweden is the only infected European country to not issue a strict lockdown, a strategy which aimed to develop "herd immunity" by increasing the number of people exposed to the virus in a bid to avoid a second wave of cases.
But the move has come under criticism by other countries as well as within the nation.
Speaking to Newsweek, a 33-year-old mother based in the city of Lund in southern Sweden, Allyson Plumberg, said: "I don't think the Swedish response has been adequate. No recommendations for face mask usage in elder care homes (where the bulk of deaths have occurred)," in an email interview.
She added: "Even children with pre-existing medical conditions are not officially considered at-risk for COVID19. It is now well-known that children can become very ill (and even die in rare circumstances) from COVID-19, even without pre-existing conditions. There is still a mandatory school attendance (ages 6-15) for healthy children in Sweden.
"This means healthy teachers are also pressured to continue showing up in the classroom. We now see that teachers have died, and households with in-risk members are more desperate than ever to protect the health of their families.
"Overall, it seems like Sweden avoids adherence to the precautionary principle whenever possible," she said.
Newsweek has contacted Sweden's Ministry of Education as well as the Ministry of Health and Social Affairs for a comment.
Current restrictions in Sweden following the outbreak include a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, while residents have been told to avoid unnecessary travel and contact with elderly people. But they are allowed to visit restaurants, bars, cafes and nightclubs, which have reportedly been told to offer seated table service only.
CunningCanuk
Well-Known Member
Would any reasonable persons be surprised?
CunningCanuk
Well-Known Member
Where is Dr. Conflict? I picked up a T shirt for him. 
Budley Doright
Well-Known Member
Like I said earlier, this could have been a great discussion but personal insults and crass statements started. At that point the debate ended for me.Republican or Democrat, gripe or agree, the US are following lockdown orders and guidelines:
How Political Is The Coronavirus Pandemic Already?
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How Political Is The Coronavirus Pandemic Already?
Welcome to FiveThirtyEight’s weekly politics chat. The transcript below has been lightly edited. sarahf (Sarah Frostenson, politics editor): The U.S. has starte…
what do we actually know about how partisanship has influenced people’s reactions to COVID-19 so far? Do Democrats and Republicans really view the coronavirus differently?
Let’s first talk about what evidence we have that Democrats and Republicans are split in how they view the coronavirus, and what the significance of that is. Then we can shift gears to talk about how politicians on both sides of the aisle are handling the pandemic and how partisanship may (or may not) be a part of the calculus for when a state decides to open back up.
OK, first up, what evidence do we have that Democrats and Republicans are split on how they view the coronavirus?
nrakich (Nathaniel Rakich, elections analyst): According to polls, Republicans are less likely to support public health measures due to the coronavirus, but they are just as likely as Democrats and independents to obey them. In other words, Republicans might grumble about some of the preventive measures more, but they’re still taking the same precautions as everyone else.
In addition, it’s wrong to say that all (or even most) Republicans oppose these measures. It’s just that they’re split on them, while Democrats are pretty much unanimously in favor of taking precautions.
For example, an April 28-May 1 poll by Navigator Research found that 32 percent of all registered voters thought we needed stricter social distancing measures, 47 percent said we’re doing the right thing right now and 19 percent said we needed to relax social distancing rules.
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sarahf: One thing I’ve been struck by is that while there are some partisan differences on various social distancing measures, they’re just not that big. For instance, a National Bureau Economic Research working paper found partisan differences in self-reported social distancing behaviors and attitudes, but on something like reducing contact with others, the gap between those who identified as strong Democrats and those who identified as strong Republicans wasn’t that big. It was only a few percentage points.
In other words, despite a strong partisan split around whether President Trump is doing a good job of handling the crisis (see the chart below from our tracker on COVID-19 polls), there isn’t the same kind of dividing line on the actual preventive measures people are taking.
In earlier messages, AC said the same. He's griping. Griping hard. Citing silly science and most adorably, quoting his own back of the envelope amateur calculations as if they were important. Yet, he says he's following the guidelines. He has every right to complain and he does. As are many Republicans, it would seem. Yet, they are doing the right things when given clear instructions.
Thus far, the largest threat from this virus is how Republican leadership is teaming with the virus for their own gains.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
If you sow your garden with rocks, when you fall it will be upon stony ground...
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
That is failure. Those results are what happens if we fail. We have to be ready for it but lockdowns work and while a they are as crude as a blunt force instrument, even a club can do the job if it's used correctly. I hope the governors of red states reconsider.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
yeah, he went way over the top. He's still a child even though he's 30-ish and has a baby to care for. It's time for him to join the world of men. I think he can. He's a smart guy. His problem is he's been around dumb people for too long.
Budley Doright
Well-Known Member
Speaking of gardens I want to nuke mine this spring as it’s getting over run with weeds (the bad ones). Any thoughts out there about how to safely do this and still plant veggies
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CunningCanuk
Well-Known Member
Rob Roy
Well-Known Member
How do lockdowns help people develop immunities ?
If you or I don't have a right to demand people be locked down (we don't), how would it be possible for us to delegate that nonexistent right to a political creature to lockdown others ?