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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Well there are a limited number of suspects and he's been isolated, they know who it is, but can't prove it.
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Ex-CIA official says Russian spy invaded US intelligence and aided Putin's rise to power

 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
not one word of this acknowledges that you posted a false assessment of the surface capabilities of Russian subs.
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Do you think they are equal to a surface vessel with precision missiles? How good is their defense against drones, not even Moscow could deal with that. A sensor network can locate and monitor them, even tell when they are surfacing to shoot missiles and an orbiting drone can dispatch them. Their legend and reality appear to be two completely different things and the Ukrainians have a variety of anti ship missiles that can deal with them surfaced. They don't have the classic deck guns, but depend on torpedo tube launched systems when submerged and missiles when surfaced.
 
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"Ukraine Is Going To Be Around A Lot Longer Than Vladimir Putin" - Sec. Antony Blinken
217,713 views May 19, 2022 U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken makes his first visit to The Late Show for a three-part interview with Stephen Colbert, which begins with Sec. Blinken's assertion that an independent Ukraine will long outlast the rule of Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Do you think they are equal to a surface vessel with precision missiles? How good is their defense against drones, not even Moscow could deal with that. A sensor network can locate and monitor them, even tell when they are surfacing to shoot missiles and an orbiting drone can dispatch them. Their legend and reality appear to be two completely different things and the Ukrainians have a variety of anti ship missiles that can deal with them surfaced. They don't have the classic deck guns, but depend on torpedo tube launched systems when submerged and missiles when surfaced.
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I noticed the absence of guns. However they pack a complete response to the usual threats. You said otherwise, and I corrected you. Going on to what you are ~droning~ on about, without you having rectified the indicated fail, no thanks.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I noticed the absence of guns. However they pack a complete response to the usual threats. You said otherwise, and I corrected you. Going on to what you are ~droning~ on about, without you having rectified the indicated fail, no thanks.
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I stand corrected, they do have some surfaced defensive capabilities, however the effectiveness of their defensive capabilities remains to be seen, surfaced or otherwise and attacking them once detected, surface vessels and drones have the edge. I guess we might find out soon enough if this war continues and the Ukrainians sink a few. People want the black sea opened up for grain shipments from Ukraine and there is mounting pressure, so Russian subs sinking any would be an issue for more than Ukraine. In reality the black sea is a shooting gallery for shore based anti ship missiles.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I stand corrected, they do have some surfaced defensive capabilities, however the effectiveness of their defensive capabilities remains to be seen, surfaced or otherwise and attacking them once detected, surface vessels and drones have the edge. I guess we might find out soon enough if this war continues and the Ukrainians sink a few. People want the black sea opened up for grain shipments from Ukraine and there is mounting pressure, so Russian subs sinking any would be an issue for more than Ukraine. In reality the black sea is a shooting gallery for shore based anti ship missiles.
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Considering the Russian army’s course of performance, the argument for a battle test of stated capabilities is strong.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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printer said:
You really think the Russians do not have men stationed all around the bridge?

How close could the boats get to the bridge? If I were the Russians I would sit a tanker on either side of the bridge and move them out of the way when legitimate traffic needs to go under it.
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several large drones filled with explosive to kamikaze the tankers, then a few more into the same spot on the same pylon...just the first thing that popped to mind.
he would need a fucking buttload of tankers to block an 11 mile long bridge, even with half of it built over an island, there are still at least 2.5 miles on either end...how many tankers does he have to throw around? and how explosive is a tanker that has carried petroleum products? even empty?...... :shock:
 
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cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
several large drones filled with explosive to kamikaze the tankers, then a few more into the same spot on the same pylon...just the first thing that popped to mind.
he would need a fucking buttload of tankers to block an 11 mile long bridge, even with half of it built over an island, there are still at least 2.5 miles on either end...how many tankers does he have to throw around? and how explosive is a tanker that has carried petroleum products? even empty?...... :shock:
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it depends on depth. I wager half the causeway is on shoals.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
those ruskies are at it again, disinformation at it's best
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I saw the other video but didn't post it as I thought it was suspect, if a Ukrainian officer got that M777 shit anywhere in range of the Russian artillery they would court martial him. Why get within range when you can stay outside their range and pick them off, even bait them into firing and hitting them with counter battery radars? Drones locate them and call the shots miles away while giving battery commanders a God's eye view of their shots. Even the Russian drone strike was wildly inaccurate FFS and might have wounded a few and did some minor damage to a gun.
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I saw the other video but didn't post it as I thought it was suspect, if a Ukrainian officer got that M777 shit anywhere in range of the Russian artillery they would court martial him. Why get within range when you can stay outside their range and pick them off, even bait them into firing and hitting them with counter battery radars? Drones locate them and call the shots miles away while giving battery commanders a God's eye view of their shots. Even the Russian drone strike was wildly inaccurate FFS and might have wounded a few and did some minor damage to a gun.
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yeah with reg ammo 21km and with excal munitions 40k......hmmmm...why be in range at all....especially with those striking abilities....hell russian artillary is only 18km (i think, someone may correct me on that)
 
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BudmanTX said:
interesting.....

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: U.S. aims to arm Ukraine with advanced anti-ship missiles to fight Russian blockade

The White House is working to put advanced anti-ship missiles in the hands of Ukrainian fighters to help defeat Russia's naval blockade, officials said, amid concerns more powerful weapons that could sink Russian warships would intensify the conflict.
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They want to avert a global famine that could kill many millions of people and result in political instability in many countries, the stakes are very high. Russia fucking with Ukrainian grain shipments would be a red line IMHO and result in the annihilation of the Russian black sea fleet. They will be told to stay on the eastern side of the Black sea or get sunk, subs included and the US Navy anti submarine aircraft can locate them for the Ukrainians to sink, if they are a threat to commerce. Ukraine is still producing a lot of food, even with the war and the world needs it. If they want to get sunk, this is the perfect opportunity, start sinking grain ships headed for the middle east and Africa.
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
They want to avert a global famine that could kill many millions of people and result in political instability in many countries, the stakes are very high. Russia fucking with Ukrainian grain shipments would be a red line IMHO and result in the annihilation of the Russian black sea fleet. They will be told to stay on the eastern side of the Black sea or get sunk, subs included and the US Navy anti submarine aircraft can locate them for the Ukrainians to sink, if they are a threat to commerce. Ukraine is still producing a lot of food, even with the war and the world needs it. If they want to get sunk, this is the perfect opportunity, start sinking grain ships headed for the middle east and Africa.
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fucking with the grain shipments, they stole them literally and selling it on the black market now
 
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