Gun control is coming

[Sir Napsalot]

If there's one thing I've learned on this forum it's that when someone says they're leaving, they don't

That, "CAL-MAG" and about a pound

 

[Fogdog]

We don't have annual taxes on handguns in Canada and people who target shoot and hunt don't usually have too much trouble, semi-automatic long guns are allowed, and mag sizes are restricted to 5 rounds. Where the hammer really came down is on handguns and military style assault weapons have been banned for decades. Up until the 70's-gun ownership and regulations were comparable in Canada to the US, but have grown further apart with the number of murders, mass shootings and the influence of the NRA in America. Recent provisions make inheriting, selling or transferring a handgun impossible, and the gun dies with the owner.

Our biggest problem is with smuggled handguns from the US and they are flying them over the border with drones FFS! Harsh penalties won't slow it down, certainty of getting caught will though, and less guns in America will help a lot. The street price for an illegal gun is much higher in Canada than in America and this increases the incentive for smuggling. If America implements some Canadian like restrictions (if you are able to constitutionally) they will start with an FAC (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) from the police to buy any firearm or ammo, it is the same thing as a background check proposed in the States.

Not being allowed to sell, transfer or inherit a handgun would eliminate most with in 10 to 20 years, but they must be registered to do that, even if the tax was just $10 per gun for 5 years and the registration expense just covered the cost of the system.

A Canadian trying to solve the US gun problem.

 

[CANON_Grow]

A Canadian trying to solve the US gun problem.

There is a reason for that...

In fighting gun crime, Canada has an American problem

Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly -- 85 per cent of the time -- found to have come from the United States.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

A Canadian trying to solve the US gun problem.

Trying to solve a Canadian handgun problem, one that caused a mass murder of 22 people a couple of years ago, right here in my peaceful little corner of the world

 

[Fogdog]

Trying to solve a Canadian handgun problem, one that caused a mass murder of 22 people a couple of years ago, right here in my peaceful little corner of the world

You seem to want to help. Suggest you send cookies.

I'm sorry that our guns are crossing into your country. If you think your criminals would not get guns but for the US, that's probably a bit of a stretch. All I can say is the babble you are posting is not helpful and may be counterproductive to solving the US gun problem. If you won't take my word for it, just remember all the times people come here and the first thing they say is "you are not going to take my gun away". Which is true. No serious person in the US is suggesting we do. But you aren't in the US and you aren't a serious person, Your posts contain wild gun ban and tax fantasies that are not even discussed by people who are working to save lives from gun culture in the US

I posted an example of what we are trying to accomplish in Oregon. Even that insufficient effort is stalled out and will probably take years to accomplish. I am not convinced that gun confiscations are necessary, much less possible. I suggest we first do what is possible.

Canada has a crime problem that is exacerbated by US guns. But its your crime problem so deal with it. Don't use the US as an excuse. Excuses are for losers.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

You seem to want to help. Suggest you send cookies.

I'm sorry that our guns are crossing into your country. If you think your criminals would not get guns but for the US, that's probably a bit of a stretch. All I can say is the babble you are posting is not helpful and may be counterproductive to solving the US gun problem. If you won't take my word for it, just remember all the times people come here and the first thing they say is "you are not going to take my gun away". Which is true. No serious person in the US is suggesting we do. But you aren't in the US and you aren't a serious person, Your posts contain wild gun ban and tax fantasies that are not even discussed by people who are working to save lives from gun culture in the US

I posted an example of what we are trying to accomplish in Oregon. Even that insufficient effort is stalled out and will probably take years to accomplish. I am not convinced that gun confiscations are necessary, much less possible. I suggest we first do what is possible.

Canada has a crime problem that is exacerbated by US guns. But its your crime problem so deal with it. Don't use the US as an excuse. Excuses are for losers.

We have many of the same problems and the same kinds of people. I don't expect my ideas to be popular, they are a radical way to reduce the numbers of guns and taxation of handguns was not implemented in Canada either, but registration was. You will find there is a pattern to the Anglo countries that have tackled this problem, I say Anglo countries because we have the same adversarial legal systems with jury trials. Some have had buybacks and have outlawed some types of guns and all register and restrict handguns, and all have some form of FAC, which is a background check with a certification that you don't have a screw loose or a chip on your shoulder.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

A gun is made to fire a projectile. The person operating the firearm chooses what that projectile hits. Lay a gun on the table, it will never hurt a single person. Put that gun in a dangerous or unstable persons hands and it is now a weapon just like a knife or a baseball bat etc.
Carrying a knife, you could stab people but with throwing knives you can stab more people from further away. Ban throwing knives and leave reg knives legal so only some people will get stabbed? Well LESS people so it's ok then?

shitty arguments...
yes, people kill people...if they do it by hand, it takes a while, and gives everyone else warning to either run or help the victim...
If they do it with the knife, same deal....If they do it with a hammer, same deal....
If they do it with a gun, they all get shot in the back, and then the killer reloads the gun that didn't really kill those people, and then goes and kills others, too, but not really with the gun....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I don't know. Gun to my head, I would say people should talk to eachother, especially those we disagree with. Start from a place of common ground.

"I have no idea, but if people would do what they have never done, it would help."

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

My target shooting .22 and .38 were designed to kill? Nah.

again, semantics...they're slight variations on a theme...VERY slight variations...Can you shoot a person with either one? then they're guns, and ALL guns have one purpose...to destroy what they are aimed at, be it people, animals, or targets...those are interchangeable purposes.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

It was invented for hunting.

I don't know who invented the first firearms, i believe it was the chinese, but i could be mistaken...But they have extensive records of firearms being used as weapons...there are much fewer representations of them being used for hunting, and they are from a much later period than the records showing them to be used in war.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Trying to solve a Canadian handgun problem, one that caused a mass murder of 22 people a couple of years ago, right here in my peaceful little corner of the world

how about catching the smugglers? they can't even be Canadians, right? a real Canadian would never do a thing like that....

 

[CANON_Grow]

I don't think focusing on other countries will do anything to solve this issue that the US is responsible for exporting. This issue is very similar to the climate change issues we all have to deal with, the actions of one country have an effect on many others. It's not just Canada that has to deal with the irresponsible manner in which the US regulates firearms. The majority of Americans are in favour of more strict gun control laws so I don't want to imply that the majority of Americans are the issue, but without changes in the US, the countries around it will continue to suffer.

The United States is a major supplier of guns to other countries in the region
Lastly, Mexico is not the only recipient of U.S. firearms in the region. While national organizations that side with the U.S. gun industry falsely claim that most firearms recovered in Mexico come from Central America, they ignore the fact that the United States is a major supplier of illegal guns to Central America. From 2014 to 2019, more than 15,000 U.S. firearms were recovered in Central American nations, mainly in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. During that same period, more than 6,000 U.S. firearms were recovered in Caribbean countries and more than 11,000 were recovered in Canada. But the guns don’t stop there. The Brazilian police have recognized the United States as a main supplier of crime guns to their country, and U.S. guns have even reached Chile, the southernmost nation in the Americas.

A New Lawsuit Illustrates the Problem of U.S. Guns in Mexico

Mexico’s lawsuit against major U.S. arms manufacturers and distributors is a reminder of the fact that America’s gun violence epidemic extends well beyond its own borders.

www.americanprogress.org

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

how about catching the smugglers? they can't even be Canadians, right? a real Canadian would never do a thing like that....

Canadians buy them, we have the same kinds of people but different laws. Tens of millions of cars pass over the border every year and it is difficult to search each one, likewise not all mail is checked either. It's like the US southern border, there is a supply of drugs on one side and a market with money on the other. They can't stop American guns from coming into Mexico either and almost everybody killed by a gun in Mexico is killed by a smuggled American gun. The problem spills out north and south, but even within America there is a big difference in gun deathrates depending on the state gun laws and the percentage of gun ownership.

 

[HGCC]

Anyways. Doesn't seem like many far lefties here are willing to have a constructive conversation about opinions, more like just pushing their own agenda with made up stats and buzzwords, attacking anything that isn't their way of thinking. 'karen'. I'm way more liberal than conservative or in murican that means I'm more democrat than republican. I'm just not into control, and banning. The only person that should control me is me. (And my wife. Haha)
So for real, I'm bowing out of this one. In light of all the bannings on this site (that worked real well too pad has what 300 new accnts?) I'd rather not get too far down this rabbit hole

Sir, the far left are firm believers in guns. How else are we to seize the means of production?



I mean that seriously. The people advocating gun control are much more centrists on most topics. Its a really weird issue/topic like that.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I don't think focusing on other countries will do anything to solve this issue that the US is responsible for exporting. This issue is very similar to the climate change issues we all have to deal with, the actions of one country have an effect on many others. It's not just Canada that has to deal with the irresponsible manner in which the US regulates firearms. The majority of Americans are in favour of more strict gun control laws so I don't want to imply that the majority of Americans are the issue, but without changes in the US, the countries around it will continue to suffer.

The United States is a major supplier of guns to other countries in the region
Lastly, Mexico is not the only recipient of U.S. firearms in the region. While national organizations that side with the U.S. gun industry falsely claim that most firearms recovered in Mexico come from Central America, they ignore the fact that the United States is a major supplier of illegal guns to Central America. From 2014 to 2019, more than 15,000 U.S. firearms were recovered in Central American nations, mainly in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. During that same period, more than 6,000 U.S. firearms were recovered in Caribbean countries and more than 11,000 were recovered in Canada. But the guns don’t stop there. The Brazilian police have recognized the United States as a main supplier of crime guns to their country, and U.S. guns have even reached Chile, the southernmost nation in the Americas.

A New Lawsuit Illustrates the Problem of U.S. Guns in Mexico

Mexico’s lawsuit against major U.S. arms manufacturers and distributors is a reminder of the fact that America’s gun violence epidemic extends well beyond its own borders.

www.americanprogress.org

They are paying a higher price for the stupidity than we could ever impose, I mean we can't say we will execute over 40,000 Americans a year at random until they solve the problem! However, they don't seem to have an issue with guns being the leading cause of death among kids, most do, but they have minority rule in these matters and the majority opinion means nothing even if it's a super majority or more. The sad fact is, where there is more actual democracy, there are fewer guns because the politicians respond to the wishes of the electorate, and it is that way in all other functioning liberal democracies.

Most also don't allow a cable news network to be the propaganda wing of a political party and give them billions in free advertising a year while spreading deadly disinformation and promoting hate for profit and power. We need to ban foxnews and I'm contacting my cable company and probably the CRTC to lodge a complaint about them being allowed in Canada. If the Nazis had a TV network, we would ban that and we do ban RT, and foxnews is no better than RT, probably worse.

 

[CANON_Grow]

They are paying a higher price for the stupidity than we could ever impose, I mean we can't say we will execute over 40,000 Americans a year at random until they solve the problem! However, they don't seem to have an issue with guns being the leading cause of death among kids, most do, but they have minority rule in these matters and the majority opinion means nothing even if it's a super majority or more. The sad fact is, where there is more actual democracy, there are fewer guns because the politicians respond to the wishes of the electorate, and it is that way in all other functioning liberal democracies.

I can understand why our American friends get frustrated with us Canadians commenting a lot on their domestic policies. At times I do feel like I'm just being a nosy neighbour, but I don't feel bad expressing my thoughts when their domestic issues are no longer just their domestic issues. They are the leaders of the free world and whichever way they trend seems to guide our own domestic policies. I am hoping they understand why we take such interest in these issues and realize that they do directly affect us. While there have been a few preposterous ideas presented (robot dog), saying that reasonable firearm regulations just won't get implemented is just as silly. It is important that those that don't get a vote but still have to live with the consequences of American policies can continue to point out that what some view as extreme firearm regulations is not actually extreme at all, at least to the rest of the developed world.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I can understand why our American friends get frustrated with us Canadians commenting a lot on their domestic policies. At times I do feel like I'm just being a nosy neighbour, but I don't feel bad expressing my thoughts when their domestic issues are no longer just their domestic issues. They are the leaders of the free world and whichever way they trend seems to guide our own domestic policies. I am hoping they understand why we take such interest in these issues and realize that they do directly affect us. While there have been a few preposterous ideas presented (robot dog), saying that reasonable firearm regulations just won't get implemented is just as silly. It is important that those that don't get a vote but still have to live with the consequences of American policies can continue to point out that what some view as extreme firearm regulations is not actually extreme at all, at least to the rest of the developed world.

I agree with most of what you say, but in 10 years or so when they really get tired of guns, robocop and robodog will be options on the table. Why risk lives when a machine can take care of the idiots, it's a bullet proof robot and doesn't even need to kill anybody to do its job. Remember this will be 10 years or more down the road and technology progresses very fast. A human coming for their guns would need to defend themselves, a machine not so much, it can use pepper spray, teargas and light the fucker up with a taser! I like to troll the "cold dead hand " crowd with a robot future that ruins their fantasies of blowing away big guberment feds coming to collect their guns for non-payment of taxes! They could even make videos, "America's funniest gun confiscations! No robots were harmed in the production of this video...

I have several vices and this is one of them!

 

[Fogdog]

I can understand why our American friends get frustrated with us Canadians commenting a lot on their domestic policies. At times I do feel like I'm just being a nosy neighbour, but I don't feel bad expressing my thoughts when their domestic issues are no longer just their domestic issues. They are the leaders of the free world and whichever way they trend seems to guide our own domestic policies. I am hoping they understand why we take such interest in these issues and realize that they do directly affect us. While there have been a few preposterous ideas presented (robot dog), saying that reasonable firearm regulations just won't get implemented is just as silly. It is important that those that don't get a vote but still have to live with the consequences of American policies can continue to point out that what some view as extreme firearm regulations is not actually extreme at all, at least to the rest of the developed world.

70% of the people in this country, myself included, don't own a gun. Why we allow 30% to cause such a problem is beyond me. There is no good reason for our gun problem other than we are a democracy and change requires that majority to decide it wants to change it. We are moving in that direction. When change comes, it will happen fast. It's coming. Meanwhile, we have a lot of other related issues, like the rise of fascism in this country, to deal with.

I don't own a gun, never owned one and am in a state that is taking the first steps that will eventually bring this issue to an end. I'm not a supporter of the gun lobby so its stupid to harangue me about a national issue on which I'm on your side. I understand your impatience but suggest that you choose your enemies wisely.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

70% of the people in this country, myself included, don't own a gun. Why we allow 30% to cause such a problem is beyond me. There is no good reason for our gun problem other than we are a democracy and change requires that majority to decide it wants to change it. We are moving in that direction. When change comes, it will happen fast. It's coming. Meanwhile, we have a lot of other related issues, like the rise of fascism in this country, to deal with.

I don't own a gun, never owned one and am in a state that is taking the first steps that will eventually bring this issue to an end. I'm not a supporter of the gun lobby so its stupid to harangue me about a national issue on which I'm on your side. I understand your impatience but suggest that you choose your enemies wisely.

We are as well aware of the stats as you and nobody is blaming you or the supermajority like you, it is a symptom of something deeper, like Trump is.

Why can't the republicans respond to this information? They are controlled by the most radical elements in America and governed by fear of a base that includes all of America's gun nuts and bigots.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654727792213254146

 

[Fogdog]

We are as well aware of the stats as you and nobody is blaming you or the supermajority like you, it is a symptom of something deeper, like Trump is.

Why can't the republicans respond to this information? They are controlled by the most radical elements in America and governed by fear of a base that includes all of America's gun nuts and bigots.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654727792213254146

I think you answered that question when you pointed me toward understanding why so many people voted for Trump in 2020.