The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
Rhetoric is a poor substitute for reality - Dan Kone
And what, pray tell, is reality? You said earlier that reality and history cannot be changed but they are changed all the time. Has your government controlled education not taught you that? Have they so indoctrinated you that you think reality and history are forever set in stone? Well, I guess if you believe the answer to our "black hole" of debt is to borrow more and tax more, you'll believe anything.
Text book history is not necessarily the truth, it depends on who wrote the text books.
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Ok Liberals and Progressives
We have a golden opportunity to cut off the neo-con wing of the Republican Party.
This election isn't about re-electing a president its about saying what we do not want.
We don't want these wars we don't want a president who has unilateral power to declare war without congress. (Obama/Bush are not kings)
We don't want the Patriot act or secret prisons or assasinations.
So register republican and vote in the primaries for Ron Paul, even if you want to vote for Obama.
At least it could be a interesting debate unlike Rick Perry vs Obama no real debate (Perry will make anti-UN noises to draw in libertarians but this will not work)
There isn't enouph debate about important things like Foreign policy, Patriot act, ect.
You'll get that with RP.
Help us fight the money powers fail to help us and miss this golden oppotunity to tear into the Bush/Cheney crowd. (trotskyites)
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
Ok Liberals and Progressives
We have a golden opportunity to cut off the neo-con wing of the Republican Party.
This election isn't about re-electing a president its about saying what we do not want.
We don't want these wars we don't want a president who has unilateral power to declare war without congress. (Obama/Bush are not kings)
We don't want the Patriot act or secret prisons or assasinations.
So register republican and vote in the primaries for Ron Paul, even if you want to vote for Obama.
At least it could be a interesting debate unlike Rick Perry vs Obama no real debate (Perry will make anti-UN noises to draw in libertarians but this will not work)
There isn't enouph debate about important things like Foreign policy, Patriot act, ect.
You'll get that with RP.
Help us fight the money powers fail to help us and miss this golden oppotunity to tear into the Bush/Cheney crowd. (trotskyites)
Best post in thread?
 

budlover13

King Tut
Ok Liberals and Progressives
We have a golden opportunity to cut off the neo-con wing of the Republican Party.
This election isn't about re-electing a president its about saying what we do not want.
We don't want these wars we don't want a president who has unilateral power to declare war without congress. (Obama/Bush are not kings)
We don't want the Patriot act or secret prisons or assasinations.
So register republican and vote in the primaries for Ron Paul, even if you want to vote for Obama.
At least it could be a interesting debate unlike Rick Perry vs Obama no real debate (Perry will make anti-UN noises to draw in libertarians but this will not work)
There isn't enouph debate about important things like Foreign policy, Patriot act, ect.
You'll get that with RP.
Help us fight the money powers fail to help us and miss this golden oppotunity to tear into the Bush/Cheney crowd. (trotskyites)
Just reposted on FB in a RP action group to be shared with Dems world-wide.
 

Dan Kone

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So you don't like to hear people be honest with you? i simply make the statement that i would rather KNOW that one is racist than to hear him say he's not but continue the problem.
I understand where you're coming from and there is logic to that, but I disagree. I'd rather have racists STFU so they aren't indoctrinating the next generations with their bullshit.
 

budlover13

King Tut
I understand where you're coming from and there is logic to that, but I disagree. I'd rather have racists STFU so they aren't indoctrinating the next generations with their bullshit.
i hear you but if one tries to tell them how they should think then that person has the same right to tell YOU how to think. i let racists ramble on and on while they show themselves to be as ignorant as they truly are.
 

sync0s

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I understand where you're coming from and there is logic to that, but I disagree. I'd rather have racists STFU so they aren't indoctrinating the next generations with their bullshit.
In other words you would rather sacrifice liberty for safety.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Then why do you have the right to vote for representitaves who will use their powers and our money to kill people?
in the name of "national defense", with which i also have misgivings.

but ron paul ain't the answer.

unless you like people who fuck turtles.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
And what, pray tell, is reality?
The reality is that slavery and segregation were dark times in our history that should not be glorified nor excused. People shouldn't try to explain it away as something that was ok.

Well, I guess if you believe the answer to our "black hole" of debt is to borrow more and tax more, you'll believe anything.
Yes, I believe that. Seeing as how you have said nothing to dispute it, dismissing it as incorrect is premature.

Text book history is not necessarily the truth, it depends on who wrote the text books.
So you think all history books are wrong and the story you guys seem to be inventing as you go along is correct? Interesting.
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
i think it is more that he does not want harm caused to others. your rights to whatever stop when they harm others.

no exceptions for bigotry.
If you define someone voicing their opinion, whether right or wrong, is harm... Good god imagine how far that can be stretched. 1st amendment brother. Do you want to change it?
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
In other words you would rather sacrifice liberty for safety.
No. That's not remotely similar to anything I said. I did not suggest it should be a crime to have racist thoughts or say something racist. I said I would prefer that racists STFU.
 

Parker

Well-Known Member
in the name of "national defense", with which i also have misgivings.

but ron paul ain't the answer.

unless you like people who fuck turtles.
As opposed to tools like you, who fuck themselves??? Keep voting against your own self interest and you'll get more of the same. Your way of government manipulation doesn't work. Too bad your head is so far up your ass you can't see it.

I understand you are a worthless and can't take care of yourself but why do we have to take care of you? You smell and you're too ignorant to have an intelligent conversation. What good are you? It's not the peoples job, THROUGH government FORCE, to take care of you. If you want to force me to take care of you guarantee you I won't do a good job of it because I don't like talking piles of horseshit.
Knowing this because we know government cannot do the job as efficiently as the private sector, why do you want to give yourself below average results? Is it because you are too stupid to know better?
 

Parker

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As a black American I think I can say that the civil rights change has brought about improvement for my way of life...I like being able to go anywhere and not have somebody try to tell me to leave because of the color of my skin..and believe me most bigoted bastards will let you know how they stand...its not hard to see who they are ..not hard at all..but hey what do I know I only have to had experience it...
How do you know? Were you born around 1945-1950? that would put you at ~20 years of age when the Civil Rights amendment was passed.
I don't believe "most bigots tell you". The opposite is true, the opposite is the norm.
"what do I know I only have to had experience it" Gotcha you're the expert on this because no one else has experienced racism so we should rely on your rose colored glasses.
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
The reality is that slavery and segregation were dark times in our history that should not be glorified nor excused. People shouldn't try to explain it away as something that was ok.
I agree, it was not OK and it is not OK even today but we still have slavery (albeit not outright ownership of a human being but a much more subtle and insidious economic slavery)

Yes, I believe that. Seeing as how you have said nothing to dispute it, dismissing it as incorrect is premature.
That is like a doctor, who is treating a lung cancer patient to "try cigars instead of cigarettes.". We've been trying YOUR way for a century or so and it has failed, it's time to seek a new direction.

So you think all history books are wrong and the story you guys seem to be inventing as you go along is correct? Interesting.
LOL There you go again. Extreme exaggeration. If you don't like "a", you HATE the alphabet. I'm not inventing anything. It's people like you who are in charge of indoctrinating our youth.
 
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