***PPACA - The Facts***

[pSi007]

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/heal...cy/calculator/


Cool, I have run some numbers. Example:

~~ Family of 4, 2 children under 21 years old, they have an annual household income of $33k. Insurance company wants $800 a month and you get about $700 back. not bad?

~~ For a single person living alone, annual income of 33k, you have to pay about $250 per month with absolutely NO rebates.. So where are these rebates, bro?

~~ For a couple living together with NO children and who have a combined annual income of $33k per year, they have to pay about $460 per month to MANDATORY insurance, and they get about $260 in rebates.

~~ For a couple living together with no children and who have an annual income of $100K, they pay $460 per month, OH NO! NO REBATE! HAHAHA...

insane... It robs the poor who cannot afford insurance and do not qualify for medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid, you are fucked, unless you are rich and don't care anyway.

 

[Doer]

5'6" and my color blond blends well with my eyes which are trichome amber.

I love trichome amber...tell me more.

 

[Doer]

yes "disconnect" is my nice way of saying "lie"..my NICE way

What is your other way....similar to mine?

 

[Doer]

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/heal...cy/calculator/

Hey RollItUp - Admin.. Don't get pissed at me if I said something stupid. har har! Anyway. ObamaCare is made by the insurance companies to ruin this country. I did myself and they want me to pay over $900 a month but I get like $700 back, unless the Gov is shutdown.. (see what happens if you have a dependent aged 21-25)

THIS IS INSANE! The insurance companies are robbing America BLIND! LOOK AT IT! The sky IS falling. Do the math!

It isn't falling. An elite medical class has been instantiated. Make sure you are in it.

 

[pSi007]

It isn't falling. An elite medical class has been instantiated. Make sure you are in it.

If you have a combined household income between $33k and $50k, and no kids, you are fucked. You no longer have a choice to pay your own medical bills. Now, if you are poor but not super poor, you have to pay the bill of someone else. In the land of the free, we are a little less free.

 

[ChesusRice]

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/heal...cy/calculator/


Cool, I have run some numbers. Example:

~~ Family of 4, 2 children under 21 years old, they have an annual household income of $33k. Insurance company wants $800 a month and you get about $700 back. not bad?

~~ For a single person living alone, annual income of 33k, you have to pay about $250 per month with absolutely NO rebates.. So where are these rebates, bro?

~~ For a couple living together with NO children and who have a combined annual income of $33k per year, they have to pay about $460 per month to MANDATORY insurance, and they get about $260 in rebates.

~~ For a couple living together with no children and who have an annual income of $100K, they pay $460 per month, OH NO! NO REBATE! HAHAHA...

insane... It robs the poor who cannot afford insurance and do not qualify for medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid, you are fucked, unless you are rich and don't care anyway.

Got a job?
how much is your contribution to your Employer health insurance?
How much is their contribution?
Your examples are showing some pretty cheap insurance premiums

 

[Red1966]

How does "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" become PPACA? Not even remotely descriptive.

 

[Doer]

If you have a combined household income between $33k and $50k, and no kids, you are fucked. You no longer have a choice to pay your own medical bills. Now, if you are poor but not super poor, you have to pay the bill of someone else. In the land of the free, we are a little less free.

So we are clear, the EMC was established, de facto, by ObamaTax, but that is not the New Better Class of Medical Care. The NBCMC is for those that are Exempt....get it?

 

[schuylaar]

If you have a combined household income between $33k and $50k, and no kids, you are fucked. You no longer have a choice to pay your own medical bills. Now, if you are poor but not super poor, you have to pay the bill of someone else. In the land of the free, we are a little less free.

that's correct..have an accident, surprise brain aneurysm or any other unforseen illness and you will no longer have to worry about being ruined and the hospital won't have to worry about getting paid..you see how this works?..or you and your wife have a baby and the baby is born with an illness and requires lifelong care, surgeries, meds etc; and you won't be ruined..think of it as flood insurance..you hate fucking paying for it..but if it happens?..most though subscribe to the scientific notion of well patient visits and such as preventative measure to maintain good health.

 

[Harrekin]

Obama will cum up your bum bum!

But only Liberals will like it!

Liberals = fake "healthcare" for the poor!

 

[pSi007]

This crap is pushing billions of additional dollars into Health Insurance and corporate programs. Lobbyism is a way to bribe the country, and sell it to foreign invasion. This is pure and simply just another testament to the fact that this country can be sold to big business. Hey, I suppose we all accept the fact that we are all paying for creep-ball the Proctologist and his head-lamp.

I suspect this program will contribute to too much waste in health care as well as governmental commingling of public funds. The National Debt is only rising and the Gov wants to make it worse by raising the limit. Pathetic.. If you owe money, just borrow more.. If your people are broke, charge them more. If you lost your job, go to McDonald's like the majority of youth who wish to work. Most think the system a fucking joke, it is..

The US Gov waste billions of dollars spying on it's own citizens, to no regards.. The true nature of society in the USA is now on financial collapse. You have lost your right to be independent, now, we are all dependent.

 

[ChesusRice]

This crap is pushing billions of additional dollars into Health Insurance and corporate programs. Lobbyism is a way to bribe the country, and sell it to foreign invasion. This is pure and simply just another testament to the fact that this country can be sold to big business. Hey, I suppose we all accept the fact that we are all paying for creep-ball the Proctologist and his head-lamp.

I suspect this program will contribute to too much waste in health care as well as governmental commingling of public funds. The National Debt is only rising and the Gov wants to make it worse by raising the limit. Pathetic.. If you owe money, just borrow more.. If your people are broke, charge them more. If you lost your job, go to McDonald's like the majority of youth who wish to work. Most think the system a fucking joke, it is..

The US Gov waste billions of dollars spying on it's own citizens, to no regards.. The true nature of society in the USA is now on financial collapse. You have lost your right to be independent, now, we are all dependent.

Insurance industry must love this law


Since they spent over a 100 million dollars lobbying against it

 

[UncleBuck]

Hey Buck why aren't you pumping the health care sign ups?

i already have insurance.

how many more times are you gonna keep spamming this same message of yours?

 

[pSi007]

Insurance industry must love this law


Since they spent over a 100 million dollars lobbying against it

The number of persons without health insurance coverage in the United States is one of the primary concerns raised by advocates of health care reform. A person without health insurance is commonly termed uninsured (regardless of insurance of objects unrelated to health), and this article uses the term in this sense as well. According to the United States Census Bureau, in 2011 there were 48.6 million people in the US (15.7% of the population) who were without health insurance.[SUP][2][/SUP] The percentage of the non-elderly population who are uninsured has been generally increasing since the year 2000.[SUP][3][/SUP]


If you use the calculator I posted, it shows you the ACA will charge about $200-$500 per person, per month, with possible rebates.
Let say $200 x 48million. ..thats almost 10billion extra dollars a month, going into insurance. Regarding your question, they fixed that little problem right away and it allows people to shop for private insurance with gov rebate. Dont worry about the little things if you are not following along.



The Affordable Care Act is a mixed bag for many interests. For insurers, the worst case scenario would be if the courts throw out the mandate for Americans to buy health insurance while still requiring insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions, which could lower their revenue while raising costs. For these companies, the biggest concern is whether the rest of the law can stand if the individual mandate is struck down.

 

[ChesusRice]

The number of persons without health insurance coverage in the United States is one of the primary concerns raised by advocates of health care reform. A person without health insurance is commonly termed uninsured (regardless of insurance of objects unrelated to health), and this article uses the term in this sense as well. According to the United States Census Bureau, in 2011 there were 48.6 million people in the US (15.7% of the population) who were without health insurance.[SUP][2][/SUP] The percentage of the non-elderly population who are uninsured has been generally increasing since the year 2000.[SUP][3][/SUP]


If you use the calculator I posted, it shows you the ACA will charge about $200-$500 per person, per month, with possible rebates.
Let say $200 x 48million. ..thats almost 10billion extra dollars a month, going into insurance. Regarding your question, they fixed that little problem right away and it allows people to shop for private insurance with gov rebate. Dont worry about the little things if you are not following along.



The Affordable Care Act is a mixed bag for many interests. For insurers, the worst case scenario would be if the courts throw out the mandate for Americans to buy health insurance while still requiring insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions, which could lower their revenue while raising costs. For these companies, the biggest concern is whether the rest of the law can stand if the individual mandate is struck down.

Again if this is such a boom for the Health insurance industry

Why did they spend over a 100 million fighting it even after it passed?

 

[nitro harley]

i already have insurance.

how many more times are you gonna keep spamming this same message of yours?

You don't like me pumping Obama care?...You have made it perfectly clear that you have Ins..We need the others to pay up and support who they voted for..You know the suckers that weren't paying attention..PAY UP SUCKERS..

 

[Flaming Pie]

Here is the calculator on healthcaredotgov


https://www.healthcare.gov/how-can-...-and-savings-on-marketplace-health-insurance/

They hide it really well. Had to go to individuals, how can i see how much with out applying, bottom of that page kaiser, link on the next page.

For me:

28k income

1100payment with 4500 deductable

So I have to spend 5600 a year for health coverage to kick in. That is 466 dollars a month.

So if I don't have to go to the doctor I get taxed 3.6% of my income. If I DO have to go to the doctor the government wont help me until I have spent 20% of my income. Gee thanks.

 

[Red1966]

Funny, in previous threads, BuckHead claimed he went to the local free clinic. Maybe they got tired of him sponging off the system these kind souls set up for the uninsured. Or maybe he's lying. Again.

 

[tokeprep]

If it was so good for the health care companys

Why did they spend a 100 million dollars campaingning against it?

Chesus, we've been over this bullshit claim of yours. Why are you bothering to repeat it when you didn't even bother responding to my thorough rebuttal of it?

In the same period that $100 million was spent, the same players spent many times as much lobbying.

 

[ChesusRice]

Here is the calculator on healthcaredotgov


https://www.healthcare.gov/how-can-...-and-savings-on-marketplace-health-insurance/

They hide it really well. Had to go to individuals, how can i see how much with out applying, bottom of that page kaiser, link on the next page.

For me:

28k income

1100payment with 4500 deductable

So I have to spend 5600 a year for health coverage to kick in. That is 466 dollars a month.

So if I don't have to go to the doctor I get taxed 3.6% of my income. If I DO have to go to the doctor the government wont help me until I have spent 20% of my income. Gee thanks.

How much does your employer along with your contribution for healthcare add up to?
Or to put it another way
if you were an employer
How much would it cost you to insure an employee?