National Gun Owner's Insurance

SirGreenThumb said:

Yet, some certain individuals still seem to think that law abiding citizens should have their gun rights revoked, and police should be able to carry "Assault" weapons just because they have a badge and so called training.

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NoDrama said:

The people that think these things are true are the same people who watch TV and movies and think they portray real life. Most gun owners I know shoot in one week more than most cops do all year. Po Po qualification around here consists of hitting a target at 25 meters twice a year. Most police are not good shots because they rarely ever practice. Police have to pay for their own ammunition when it isn't qualification day. Some of the best functioning guns on the used market are former cop guns. Why? Because they were hardly ever shot, just holstered alot.

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canndo said:

Yet so many have no problem with this very thing when it comes to health insurance. Gee.

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canndo said:

Yet, the "rich man's pockets" happen to contain over 90 percent of all assets in this country, seems to me that for a while at least those who pick those pockets have encountered a nearly unlimited little gold mine.

I grow weary of the fear that we may somehow alienate the rich to our peril. This has yet to happen. I hear over and over from the rich how this is the most wonderful, zowie packed, extraordinary country on earth, until they are threatened by a few percent increase in their taxes and then they are the first to publicize their willingness to leave.

So which is it? Great place to make your wealth and then, well fuck you if you want me to contribute to what enabled me to earn what I have.

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cannabineer said:

The problem is when the media successfully train enough people into thinking isolated massacres (do the media jump up&down like this when the police murder people in the line of duty??) are so intolerable that gutting the law to stop them is the thing to do. cn

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NoDrama said:

You are showing how much of an idiot you are again buck.

the 13th bullet killed a little girl? How do you know it wasn't the 4th? Perhaps the 6th, they don't number themselves when inserted into the magazine, no possible way to tell which number of bullet killed which person.

Almost every state in the US limits deer hunting to 5 round magazines or less. Nice try at blaming magazine capacity for all the ills of the world, too bad it makes you look pretty dumb ( nothing new there)

If Lanza had to reload more, how would children have escaped? inserting a new magazine takes less than a second to accomplish. Well trained people can reinsert a new magazine and be firing on target in less than a second.

Maybe if all magazines were coated with butter, making the handling of them vastly slippery? Perhaps a new law making magazines have a buttery coating? Would most likely help more than any of the solutions you are bleating.

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SirGreenThumb said:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927.Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. ~3,000 people dead.
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Non-Gun Mass Murders (worldwide):
By no means is this a complete list. I have focused on 2008, and NOT included the majority of terrorist attacks in recent times, most of which involve car bombs (London), attaché bombs on trains (Madrid), the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo, etc. (and in fact almost all modern terrorist attacks are done without guns for the reasons of efficiency stated above).

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.”
Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28 year old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife.
Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death.
18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife.
Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded. Man “just wanted to kill anyone.”
Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old.
4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people.
6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox.
Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.
Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

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UncleBuck said:

put that list next to the gun massacre list and it's like putting your tiny white pecker next to an asian's comparably larger pecker, which is really saying something considering that asians have small penises.

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UncleBuck said:

your argument seems to be that mag capacity doesn't matter, but empirical evidence and very recent history prove you completely wrong.

there's a reason why these mass murderers take high capacity mags instead of smaller ones, and it is demonstrable that people have lived because they had to reload.

that is what we call "incontrovertible fact".

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SirGreenThumb said:

The point is: Mass murders happen regardless of weapon.

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UncleBuck said:

why are high capacity magazines the tool of choice for mass murderers?

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ginwilly said:

Because overall they are not. Handguns are the tool of choice for murderers. Why don't you have the stomach to go after what commits 98% of all murders with guns? You are nothing but a hippytwit going after something used in less than a fraction of a percent in gun murders while ignoring something used in 98%. You guys make no sense.

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ginwilly said:

So as long as you can get someone to kill 10 people instead of 12 it's a success while that's a slow weekend in Chicago and you ignore that.

You really should be going after handguns, you can conceal those and sneak them into places like schools. Why aren't you?

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UncleBuck said:

if everyone is just walking around with a handgun, that's pretty level ground.

i think you're missing the point that we are all sick of these out of control massacres.

well, some of us are. others want to see america continue to have the most well-equipped mass murderers anywhere.

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ginwilly said:

Just wanted to quote this before you thought about it and edited.

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UncleBuck said:

i'm not like you, i don't have to go back and edit every single damn thought i have like you do.

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ginwilly said:

I'm not like you, I answer questions posed to me without avoiding them.

Does Bloomberg have the right to restrict guns in NYC? Does he have the right not to?

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