Why do American soldiers think...

[doc111]

That's just too bad..

i would have no countries, first of all, so there is no goddamn reason to separate, divide & conquer human beings into factions/heirachires of "lesser humans". Manifesting and creating a cracked-out militarized super ego superiority nation-state.

Revenge is never the fucking solution.


And, if i had to have some sort of military-type force.. it would be voluntary. Navy SEAL kinda shit. lol Go in steathly w/ a little to no casualty take. not blowing shit to hell and highwater. No conscription/forced draft.. or glorification desensitization of pure fucking horrible shit... perpetuating while WATCHING & THEN LIVING w/ UNECESSARY DEATH/Your so-called "Glory"

Gee, if we could all just get along and sing Kumbaya, we would have no need for militaries, countries, law enforcement, laws, or weapons of any kind. Sadly, not everybody thinks like you and I. It's a noble thing to strive for world peace, or to fantasize about some shangri-la utopia, but some people and cultures don't value human life. Some would just as soon cut your throat and take the change in your pocket and not bat an eyelash. I doubt we can ever get rid of greed and envy. It sucks but not everybody is wired the same, and you have to take the good with the bad. That's life. It's not perfect, it's not pretty, and at times it can be downright horrific. What I find ironic is that you still advocate violence, just on a smaller scale? SEALs are the best of the best. They are a rare breed and most are not cut out for that type of training, let alone the lifestyle that comes along with it. I damn near went to BUDs. In retrospect I'm glad I came to my senses.

 

[incognegro999]

That's just too bad..

i would have no countries, first of all, so there is no goddamn reason to separate, divide & conquer human beings into factions/heirachires of "lesser humans". Manifesting and creating a cracked-out militarized super ego superiority nation-state.

Revenge is never the fucking solution.


And, if i had to have some sort of military-type force.. it would be voluntary. Navy SEAL kinda shit. lol Go in steathly w/ a little to no casualty take. not blowing shit to hell and highwater. No conscription/forced draft.. or glorification desensitization of pure fucking horrible shit... perpetuating while WATCHING & THEN LIVING w/ UNECESSARY DEATH/Your so-called "Glory"

haha you said thats too bad and then decided to explain yourself. While your thought process might be noble, it is completely illogical to expect a world like you describe.

 

[doc111]

haha you said thats too bad and then decided to explain yourself. While your thought process might be noble, it is completely illogical to expect a world like you describe.

What I'm starting to "understand" is that there are a lot of people in the world and most of them have differing views on how the world should be. Whenever people have opinions that differ we see what happens here in the politics forum every day: they start arguing. Arguments turn into disputes, disputes turn into fights, fights turn into skirmishes, skirmishes turn into wars.................

 

[incognegro999]

What I'm starting to "understand" is that there are a lot of people in the world and most of them have differing views on how the world should be. Whenever people have opinions that differ we see what happens here in the politics forum every day: they start arguing. Arguments turn into disputes, disputes turn into fights, fights turn into skirmishes, skirmishes turn into wars.................

Very good point. thats all politics is, peoples opinions, only they matter haha.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

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[Padawanbater2]

What I'm starting to "understand" is that there are a lot of people in the world and most of them have differing views on how the world should be. Whenever people have opinions that differ we see what happens here in the politics forum every day: they start arguing. Arguments turn into disputes, disputes turn into fights, fights turn into skirmishes, skirmishes turn into wars.................

Thats the problem. If everyone, including the soldier, refused to be manipulated into fighting in wars for profit, the system might be effective, but as it is, the general population isn't actively aware of this, and a lot of people don't think that's what's happening.

 

[Mindmelted]

Thats the problem. If everyone, including the soldier, refused to be manipulated into fighting in wars for profit, the system might be effective, but as it is, the general population isn't actively aware of this, and a lot of people don't think that's what's happening.

No most of us know that has been going on since man could pick up a rock and smash the next man's head in with it.

It is human nature to war upon each other PERIOD!!
If you think diffrent, You need to step out of your fucking fantasy world.

 

[doc111]

Thats the problem. If everyone, including the soldier, refused to be manipulated into fighting in wars for profit, the system might be effective, but as it is, the general population isn't actively aware of this, and a lot of people don't think that's what's happening.

"If"!!!!!!!! If only pad, if only. We don't live in a perfect world. This is becoming my mantra here! lol! "If" only life were simpler. "If" only our politicians didn't lie to us. "If" only there weren't bad people in the world, bent on doing bad things to those they disagree with. You're never going to convince everybody that we are only fighting these wars for profit. Especially with images of jetliners crashing into skyscrapers which subsequently collapsed, being burnt into the minds of most Americans. The world is a big place and there are a lot of people in it Pad. It's simply not possible to enlighten everyone and make them see things YOUR way. People have differing views and you simply cannot change all of them. As hard as you are working to "educate" people, your opposition is working just as hard and has infinitely more money and resources than you and I. Plus, the majority of people trust the government.

 

[tip top toker]

The line that always irks me is when people tell me that i would change my opinion on whether it is right or wrong to illegally invade a country, kill off a huge bunch of civilians etc, "if i'd seen my mate get blown up"

I couldn't give a damn if i saw a "terrorist" blow my mate up, it does remove my sense of moral values. But it is always that once you've seen a friend shot, you'll change your story. Um no, i wont To which it's always the "well you werent there, you havn't experienced it" etc.

I feel that soldiers seem to think that their experience can be used to invalidate my opinion.

 

[LightningMcGreen]

The line that always irks me is when people tell me that i would change my opinion on whether it is right or wrong to illegally invade a country, kill off a huge bunch of civilians etc, "if i'd seen my mate get blown up"

I couldn't give a damn if i saw a "terrorist" blow my mate up, it does remove my sense of moral values. But it is always that once you've seen a friend shot, you'll change your story. Um no, i wont To which it's always the "well you werent there, you havn't experienced it" etc.

I feel that soldiers seem to think that their experience can be used to invalidate my opinion.

I agree with this guy. If in the military, you and your buddy both know the risks, know your going to shoot and be shot at. I would only be more prone to want to kill someone who tried to do me harm on a personal level...like trying to rob or hurt me or mine.

 

[DirtPoor]

...that being in the military somehow gives them a better understanding of foreign policy, foreign relations, diplomacy, etc.?

It would seem to me that people studying this stuff in college would probably have a better understanding than your average soldier would..

Yet it happens all the time, I'll get into a discussion with someone whose served, then they invoke "oh well, you wouldn't know anything about it, you're just a civilian...". Even on this forum I've seen it happen, they act as if that automatically makes their position right and anyone else's wrong, as if the real world experience in some combat zone validates their position on foreign relations.

It's bullshit I think, and these soldiers sitting atop these high horses in their shadows of real world experience need to stfu because they simply don't know what the hell they're talking about.
There, I said it.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about all soldiers, just the ones who think they're better than everyone else for "protecting me"...

Dude you need to get off your high horse, our soldiers are risking their lives and interacting with foreigners all the time. I don't think that makes them better then anyone else but it sure might give them a better understanding...but if that is what you are studying then you too may have a better understanding. Either way I don't think you should bad mouth the people that protect our rights and liberties over a little foreign relations talk.

 

[NoDrama]

I find it amazing that some people can't think for themselves....

Now why would a soldier or Marine feel as though they have a better grasp of cultural differences of a foreign land over say, a civilian that has never left the USA..... Before they deploy, they are advised and given sheets of information regarding religion, habits, culture, dress, etc. The reason is so that they don't accidentally offend the people they are protecting. I remember the first time I was given one of those.... it was for Iraq in Dessert Storm. We learned not to show the palm of the right hand as in a wave or gesture, as it was considered rude. You also didn't make a comment like 'nice watch', because they would feel obligated to give it to you since you admire it so much and they feel indebted....

That is just a couple of examples.....


oh, and the main reason they can feel that way? They served.... they know what it is to be boots on the ground...

You must be probably the first person I have known who knew that gramatically "Marine" is always Capitalized when referring to USMC regulars. Now the question remains, were you a roughriding Leatherneck?

 

[NoDrama]

Dude you need to get off your high horse, our soldiers are risking their lives and interacting with foreigners all the time. I don't think that makes them better then anyone else but it sure might give them a better understanding...but if that is what you are studying then you too may have a better understanding. Either way I don't think you should bad mouth the people that protect our rights and liberties over a little foreign relations talk.

I would love to hear your view on how we in the USA are being protected. Protected from who? All the terrorists are from Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt. Also what rights and Liberties do you think they are protecting? like the right to freely travel in the USA? Or perhaps the right to be free from government suspicion unless you actually do break the law? I would love to know your thought process that has led you to believe these things.

 

[incognegro999]

You must be probably the first person I have known who knew that gramatically "Marine" is always Capitalized when referring to USMC regulars. Now the question remains, were you a roughriding Leatherneck?

Anyone who served and ever filled out any kind of paperwork, Counseling statement, DD93, yada yada, would know that branch of service is always capitalized.

 

[DirtPoor]

I would love to hear your view on how we in the USA are being protected. Protected from who? All the terrorists are from Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt. Also what rights and Liberties do you think they are protecting? like the right to freely travel in the USA? Or perhaps the right to be free from government suspicion unless you actually do break the law? I would love to know your thought process that has led you to believe these things.

Its pretty much common sense that we are over in that shit hole for the oil, that doesn't mean that the people serving are there for the oil...they are there to do a job, protect America and establish dominance over the enemy. "All terrorist are from Saudi Arabia, Yamen and Egypt" yea just like all black people are from the projects...I think you may be a bit misinformed. Most of the terrorist training camps are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and I believe Iraq. And they are protecting our rights, as American citizens...and yes the right to freely travel in the USA and any other country that we so wish to travel in. I think you have a quarrel with the justice system or maybe even our Government in general, but don't try and justify yourself by taking that out on our troops. If you have this huge issue with how the greatest country in the world runs things, then maybe you should move somewhere a little bit more to your liking...like say Iraq? I hear they give you lots of liberties, freedoms, and free ice cold coca cola by the poolside on those nice sun shine days.

 

[NoDrama]

Its pretty much common sense that we are over in that shit hole for the oil, that doesn't mean that the people serving are there for the oil...they are there to do a job, protect America and establish dominance over the enemy. "All terrorist are from Saudi Arabia, Yamen and Egypt" yea just like all black people are from the projects...I think you may be a bit misinformed. Most of the terrorist training camps are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and I believe Iraq. And they are protecting our rights, as American citizens...and yes the right to freely travel in the USA and any other country that we so wish to travel in. I think you have a quarrel with the justice system or maybe even our Government in general, but don't try and justify yourself by taking that out on our troops. If you have this huge issue with how the greatest country in the world runs things, then maybe you should move somewhere a little bit more to your liking...like say Iraq? I hear they give you lots of liberties, freedoms, and free ice cold coca cola by the poolside on those nice sun shine days.

Hmmm, no where did I propound a disliking for the USA.

 

[tip top toker]

Americans have a right to freely travel in any country they so wish? Maybe that's where y'all going wrong, last i checked being american wasn't legal authority over other countries legal systems

And as to soldiers in iraq protecting your right to freely travel in america, i don't quite follow, "terrorists" didn't remove your right to freely travel in the USA, your government did. So why the hell aren't the troops protecting your right to travel by attacking the people actually taking it away, your government, are are you suggesting that terrorists have somehow physically or legally stopped you from travelling, and as such need them all gone before you are able to travel again? No, your government stopped you

 

[NoDrama]

Its pretty much common sense that we are over in that shit hole for the oil, that doesn't mean that the people serving are there for the oil...they are there to do a job, protect America and establish dominance over the enemy. "

I didn't realize that anyone from the Middle East was the enemy. Are you sure you know why we are there? Please define the enemy if you think you can, because at this point I bet you couldn't tell the difference between a Bedouin and a Al Qaeda operative on Safari. How does killing people in Iraq protect America anyway?

 

[420God]

I wonder how the economy would be if all those American soldiers were back on US soil unemployed like people want?

 

[new grower uk]

I know some soldiers are like that, but they are soldiers and should be given respect and the BOD because of what they got to do, im english and was in the army but we fight the same wars today (just incase one of you didnt like the english guy speaking on the subject)