Ideas on how to achieve 90%+ voter turnout rate

see4 said:
im too tired to go into detail about it right now, but the gist of it is that we base all voting off social security numbers, and have a series of redundant distributed web services that track the voting record of every individual. and several anti-hack procedures can be set in place to ensure validity of votes. not very difficult to write.
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LOL, do you work at Diebold? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's harebrained schemes like this that will allow elections to be stolen undetectably and dissenters to disappear. Looking forward to your forthcoming book on DIY neurosurgery.
 
Observe & Report said:
LOL, do you work at Diebold? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's harebrained schemes like this that will allow elections to be stolen undetectably and dissenters to disappear. Looking forward to your forthcoming book on DIY neurosurgery.
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I will repeat what I said to Red, aka Firestarter.

It's clear you don't grasp software development concepts or logical, critical thinking.
 
see4 said:
It's clear you don't grasp software development concepts or logical, critical thinking.
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What is it with programmers thinking know everything because they are able to figure out how to write a program? "I made a web framework so now I'm qualified to design a detector for the Large Hardon Collider or my own electronic voting system." Let me guess, this doesn't apply to you because you read _Applied_Cryptography_ and now you know what you're doing?

The field of cryptography is littered with the corpses of systems designed by such people. It's benign, perhaps even fortunate, when we're talking about the BS that tries to force you to buy coffee pods only from the original manufacturer but very very bad when we're talking about elections.
 
Observe & Report said:
OH NOES, Cant Understand Normal Thinking!!
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People who consider ideas that would streamline a voting process that allows everyone equal opportunity to get in their vote as hair-brained schemes, are most certainly not critical thinkers, nor do they likely understand how enterprise software development works or how it's both scalable and secure.

It's ok man, not everyone can be intelligent.
 
Observe & Report said:
What is it with programmers thinking know everything because they are able to figure out how to write a program? "I made a web framework so now I'm qualified to design a detector for the Large Hardon Collider or my own electronic voting system." Let me guess, this doesn't apply to you because you read _Applied_Cryptography_ and now you know what you're doing?

The field of cryptography is littered with the corpses of systems designed by such people. It's benign, perhaps even fortunate, when we're talking about the BS that tries to force you to buy coffee pods only from the original manufacturer but very very bad when we're talking about elections.
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Again, I'm not sure you know much about software development. It is completely evident in your above quote that you do not.
 
Every time I see some bullshit protest on t.v. or wherever I always imagine myself grabbing the bullhorn and asking "How many of you voted?!"
 
LOL, I'm not enterprise enough. First it was "clear" I didn't know anything about "software development" but now you're just "not sure." I've definitely got you nailed balls-to-the-wall see4. You're a typical programmer who thinks he knows a thing or two about crypto and everything else, as evidenced by your assertion that electronic voting is a software development problem. Have you even read one actual paper in the field of electronic voting systems?
 
Observe & Report said:
LOL, I'm not enterprise enough. First it was "clear" I didn't know anything about "software development" but now you're just "not sure." I've definitely got you nailed balls-to-the-wall see4. You're a typical programmer who thinks he knows a thing or two about crypto and everything else, as evidenced by your assertion that electronic voting is a software development problem. Have you even read one actual paper in the field of electronic voting systems?
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Sigh.

What does "crypto" have anything whatsoever to do with developing a SaaS application that is both secure and scalable and can manage 340,000,000+ UUIDs?

You obviously don't know anything about software development. If you did, you would most certainly not be saying things you are.

Look dude, unless you have some actual valuable input on the subject and can back it up with some reasoned thought because of your extensive background on the subject, I suggest you let it go. You won't win this debate.

Best wishes.
 
see4 said:
Sigh.

What does "crypto" have anything whatsoever to do with developing a SaaS application that is both secure and scalable and can manage 340,000,000+ UUIDs?

You obviously don't know anything about software development. If you did, you would most certainly not be saying things you are.

Look dude, unless you have some actual valuable input on the subject and can back it up with some reasoned thought because of your extensive background on the subject, I suggest you let it go. You won't win this debate.

Best wishes.
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+++++++rep :clap:
 
Tell us, @see4, with your system how does a voter know their vote has been recorded correctly, will be counted, and cannot be traced back to them?

With a paper system, I have a piece of paper that I can see has my vote on it and doesn't have my name on it. I physically place it into a locked box and am certain that it wont magically disappear before someone opens the box later. Multiple observers from all of the political factions are watching the box the entire time before, during, and after it is transport to headquarters and opening. Once opened it is counted using a simple machine who's correct operation is easily verified by feeding it stacks of ballots that have already been counted. The central bureau publishes the counts it receives from each precinct in the final tally, so the observers from each precinct can verify that all the votes were correctly counted.
 
Observe & Report said:
Tell us, @see4, with your system how does a voter know their vote has been recorded correctly, will be counted, and cannot be traced back to them?
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What do you mean "cannot be traced back to them", why would you not want the voted traced back to the voter?

Observe & Report said:
With a paper system, I have a piece of paper that I can see has my vote on it and doesn't have my name on it. I physically place it into a locked box and am certain that it wont magically disappear before someone opens the box later.
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Actually, no. Nothing magically disappears, mostly because magic is not real, and therefore is not a valid variable in an argument.

Your paper vote currently is handled by no less than 3 different people, which is subject to human error. Computer programs are not prone to human error when calculating, tabulating and processing binary information. The computer program does what it is programmed to do.

You are far more likely to see corruption in human tabulation than you are with computer tabulation.

To be honest, I'm surprised there isn't a system in place yet. It will happen soon enough, when folks like yourself are more confident in technology.
 
abandonconflict said:
Privacy.

I also object to being automatically counted among a pool of voters if that is the type of system you're describing.
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Of course there would be privacy rules applied. That's easy. Simply disassociate the UUID (SSN) with the counted votes. Once the vote is tabulated and "applied" to a particular SSN, disassociate.

Sort of like how all online shopping works today. Your credit card information and user information are disassociated with each other. I wrote a platform for this when I was an IBMer. A big "orange" box store still uses the platform today.
 
see4 said:
Of course there would be privacy rules applied. That's easy. Simply disassociate the UUID (SSN) with the counted votes. Once the vote is tabulated and "applied" to a particular SSN, disassociate.

Sort of like how all online shopping works today. Your credit card information and user information are disassociated with each other. I wrote a platform for this when I was an IBMer. A big "orange" box store still uses the platform today.
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I'm not such a savvy hacker. I have no objections to the existence of online voting so long as it is not designed to automatically include every citizen, but only those who sign up.
 
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